You can have my fish when you take it from my cold dead hand

[Fade]

By executive order, Obama to lump recreational fishing in inland lakes and river waterways into NOAS ocean fishing regulations.


"Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling."

"There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate."

"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

You know the rest. What an idiot Obama is.

 

[redrumloa]

Makes Carter look like competent in comparison. The dems are going to loose power for a long time after the moron is done.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;

So, does this mean that you are going to start speaking out for the communists and the trade unionists or are you going to continue living that quote like you have been until you get to the end?

 

[Fade]

Don't worry McDeath; when they come for the Socialists, I'll speak up for you.

"Yeah, Fluffy was a good little Socialist, always had his handbook at the ready, and believed every word written in it. He always toed the party line. With wit and wisdom he defended the collective, but was quick to disparage anything individualistic if you made too much profit from it."

"The only thing I never understood about him was his refusal to actually go live the life in one of those glorious Socialist countries, instead just contenting himself by trying to convince other people to help him turn Democracies around and learn to live a proper lifestyle."

I guess some Socialists are just more equal than others.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Don't worry McDeath; when they come for the Socialists, I'll speak up for you.

So, that would be a no, then. You will just wait for them to come for you and then you'll wonder whatever happened to the ACLU.

"The only thing I never understood about him was his refusal to actually go live the life in one of those glorious Socialist countries, instead just contenting himself by trying to convince other people to help him turn Democracies around and learn to live a proper lifestyle."

I used to live in the UK but left during the Thatcher years as it became less socialist. Now I live in Canada, a socialist country.

 

[metalman]

Don't worry McDeath; when they come for the Socialists, I'll speak up for you.

So, that would be a no, then. You will just wait for them to come for you and then you'll wonder whatever happened to the ACLU.

The ACLU are just socialists with law degrees, so being redundant there Fluffy'

"Do steer away from making it look like a Socialist enterprise. Too many people have gotten the idea that it is nine-tenths a Socialist movement. We want to look like patriots in everything we do. We want to get a good lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of this country." ---- Roger Baldwin, Socialist founder of the the ACLU

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

The ACLU are just socialists with law degrees, so being redundant there Fluffy'

Not bad. Looks like you might have almost half gotten what I was saying. I'm OK with that result.

 

[metalman]

The ACLU are just socialists with law degrees, so being redundant there Fluffy'

Not bad. Looks like you might have almost half gotten what I was saying. I'm OK with that result.

Hypothetical question?

Your sitting on a balcony overlooking the ocean. While looking at the majestic ocean view, you spot three people drowning,

a lawyer, a ACLU lawyer, and an IRS agent.

If you act quickly you may be able to save just one of them.

What should you do first?

.....

.....


A. Watch TV
B. Read the newspaper
C. Check for a cold beer in the fridge

 

[Glaucus]

The ACLU are just socialists with law degrees, so being redundant there Fluffy'

Not bad. Looks like you might have almost half gotten what I was saying.

If by "half gotten" you mean he was able to read it on his own, then ya. :roll:

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Not bad. Looks like you might have almost half gotten what I was saying.

If by "half gotten" you mean he was able to read it on his own, then ya. :roll:

Ha - you're more right that I was. His follow up gave it away, didn't it.

 

[faethor]

Turns out... The fear of loss of fishing is a created meme from the right wing blogosphere...

Sounds scary! Until one realizes there's no truth in the rumors.

 

[Fade]

First time I've ever heard ESPN referred to as the right wing blogosphere.

But on the other hand "everybody knows" :axe: that the only people who sport fish are right wing.

 

[faethor]

First time I've ever heard ESPN referred to as the right wing blogosphere.

This was an ESPN opinion piece... Not news. The right-wing blogosphere took it and spun it with it's own titles such as "Obama's Latest Assault on Freedom– New Regulations Will Ban Sport Fishing"

This wasn't Obama's actions in fact there is no such regulations. Here's the Mid-Term Report. Nothing in here says anything about recreational fishing let along banning it.

Malkin created her own fictionalized account of what would happen. Again based on a faulty premise with no evidence.

ESPN has even come out reminding people it was an opinion piece not news. And, IMO, they should have said baseless opinion at that.

So is the ESPN a right-wing blogosphere? In the case of this one article it appears so.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

But on the other hand "everybody knows" :axe: that the only people who sport fish are right wing.

First they came for the sport fishers, but I said nothing because I was tired of picking up the tab for the rescues every time they got drunk and fell overboard.

I'm not serious - but I wonder...

You quoted Niemöller and yet I have a hard time imagining that you would stick your neck out for that communist or that trade unionist. You've always seemed more the type to lead the cheer and help collect the fire wood.

 

[Fade]

Gosh, go to the lake for a few days, and the BS just stacks up around here.
for example Faethor said;
"ESPN has even come out reminding people it was an opinion piece not news."
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Yeah ESPN had this to say;
"Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment."

Boy did they ever step in it when they said that.
Right off the bat, ESPN gets called on this responce by a journalism teacher asking "When did it become ESPN policy to start editing opinion pieces?"
ESPN's responce didn't even pass the smell test.

And Faethor regurgitated the typical lib responce;
"Nothing in here says anything about recreational fishing let along banning it."
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I know some things are really hard for you Faethor, so I will bold the important words for you, straight from Obama's web site.

See http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... -Force.pdf

"Multiple existing uses (e.g., commercial fishing, recreational fishing and boating, marine transportation, sand and gravel mining, and oil and gas operations) and emerging uses (e.g., off-shore renewable energy and aquaculture) would be managed in a manner that reduces conflict, enhances compatibility among uses and with sustained ecosystem functions and services, and increases certainty and predictability for economic investments."

Faethor, sometimes I just have to wonder; are you just inept or are you on Fluffy's payroll? :mrgreen:

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

"Multiple existing uses (e.g., commercial fishing, recreational fishing and boating, marine transportation, sand and gravel mining, and oil and gas operations) and emerging uses (e.g., off-shore renewable energy and aquaculture) would be managed in a manner that reduces conflict, enhances compatibility among uses and with sustained ecosystem functions and services, and increases certainty and predictability for economic investments."

I see you are using the classic "bolding selectively to change the meaning" technique. Not a bad opening gambit in a grade 4 class. However, methinks you will need to pull stronger Mojo from your bag of tricks for this one.

You highlighted the fragment "would be managed" but this is not a complete phrase and the meaning that these resources will in the future be managed (that being the totality of the meaning you try to convey) is, on its face, meaningless since the resources already ARE managed. It is the intent of the management that is changing. Why not pull out that bold pen again and try to work through the implications you see in this change of management.

 

[Fade]

McDeath fluffed
"Why not pull out that bold pen again and try to work through the implications you see in this change of management."
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OK Fluffy, and any others that are hard of understanding.
I will now bold it for you.

See my original post.
By executive order, Obama to lump recreational fishing in inland lakes and river waterways into NOAS ocean fishing regulations.


I can only post it for you Fluffy, I can't understand it for you!

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I can't understand it for you!

True.

 

[Glaucus]

I can't understand it for you!

True.

You're biting your tongue aren't you? I know I am. :mrgreen:

 

[faethor]

"Multiple existing uses (e.g., commercial fishing, recreational fishing and boating, marine transportation, sand and gravel mining, and oil and gas operations) and emerging uses (e.g., off-shore renewable energy and aquaculture) would be managed in a manner that reduces conflict, enhances compatibility among uses and with sustained ecosystem functions and services, and increases certainty and predictability for economic investments."

Faethor, sometimes I just have to wonder; are you just inept or are you on Fluffy's payroll? :mrgreen:

OMFSM! Not management, that of course already exists. Let alone management which sustains the ecosystem. Damn socialist Obama wants to take away our rights to drive a species to extinction. Let's Tea Bag him!

Sorry Fade this whole opinion piece was fluff with the right-wing conspirarcy theory angle...