18 States Now Joined to Fight Health Care Reform in Court

[ltstanfo]

Florida now leads 18 states in a court case against the federal government regarding the new health care reform legislation.

While I seriously doubt that their use of the commerce clause as their argument will ultimately be successful, I do find it most interesting that so many states are making this stand. Yes, it is an election year but for 18 states to be joining forces...

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[faethor]

Any of these 18 not posted by Republicans, aka sore losers? :roll:

 

[redrumloa]

While I seriously doubt that their use of the commerce clause as their argument will ultimately be successful, I do find it most interesting that so many states are making this stand. Yes, it is an election year but for 18 states to be joining forces...

It should help their cause as the Constitution does not stutter or mumble words, the Constitution is the basic foundation of this country. Yes GWB wiped his ass with the Constitution when it came to the POS Patriot Act, this is just as or arguably much worse.

FWIW I just got back from Hospice where my wife's mother is and spoke to my sister in-law who is in the health care field. Due to Obama changes they want to discharge my mother in-law despite the fact she is on her death's bed. At the last minute today the doctor decided she only has a day or so at max, so they are keeping her. In a few years, who wants to be hospice goes away completely? So there may not be death panels yet, but they sure care little about those who are dying. My sister in-law is a democrat. Her and her husband (who is unemployed for 1+ years), my brother in-law voted for Obama. They are livid at the health care bill. She is saying all the changes are going to cripple her field and at least her income is at serious jeopardy, if not her job. They are struggling terribly as it is right now and barely low middle class. This looks like it will break them, from low-middle class to solidly poor and needing gov cheese.

They're not so happy with that vote for Obama any longer, are any of you all?

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

FWIW I just got back from Hospice where my wife's mother is and spoke to my sister in-law who is in the health care field. Due to Obama changes they want to discharge my mother in-law despite the fact she is on her death's bed.

Expect more of this. It's nothing to do with "Obamacare" per se, but the medical industry will be pulling these stunts to frighten people (or to really actually inconvenience or kill them) to try to have the bill reversed. It's pure politics, but they ARE playing with people's lives, but that's what they do anyway.

It's also a dangerous game for the "providers" or more accurately "healthcare deniers" as they may try to deflect onto the government but if they actually cause harm by denying care then the jig will be up when the law suites start - so they have to threaten but not actually DO anything.

 

[faethor]

Expect more of this. It's nothing to do with "Obamacare" per se, but the medical industry will be pulling these stunts to frighten people (or to really actually inconvenience or kill them) to try to have the bill reversed. It's pure politics, but they ARE playing with people's lives, but that's what they do anyway.

It's already happening. Our medical provider warned us that this year, due to Obama, we would see a 8% or better surcharge in healthcare. Last year we had 4%. Sounds scary Obama fault right?

Except if you look from 2001 - 2010 all years, not 2010, were double digit growths. Guess what Obama didn't exist then. Netted 2 years average of Obama are still lower than any 1 year of Bush.

 

[Glaucus]

Same sorta thing happened in Saskatchewan. Many doctors threatened to leave the province and told their patients to find another doctor if the health care bill passed. Some followed through but in the end most caved. No reason why you shouldn't expect the health care industry to act like a kid who's been told they can't have anymore candy.

 

[ltstanfo]

Any of these 18 not posted by Republicans, aka sore losers? :roll:

Depends on your criteria. If you mean who filed, then 17 of 18 were filed by Republican AG's. Only Louisiana's Democrat AG has joined the list of 18 in filing suit. If you mean governors, then the list is a little more even (still mostly Republican):

Reuter's Article

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Wayne]

Any of these 18 not posted by Republicans, aka sore losers? :roll:

Depends on your criteria. If you mean who filed, then 17 of 18 were filed by Republican AG's. Only Louisiana's Democrat AG has joined the list of 18 in filing suit.

Keeping in mind that Louisiana is openly considered a "welfare state" then you end up understanding that -- while it would seem to be contrary for Louisiana to not want "free health care" (which it isn't free), they won't go along with te plan, citing that the government owes them and should just pay for it all. Furthermore that their citizens "are too poor and don't have the money to buy mandatory insurance".

Wayne

 

[Fade]

Besides Louisiana, you would think that Reuters would at least try to appear like they are trying to be accurate.

For instance Arizona AG Terry Goddard is also a Democrat.

As is Mississippi AG Jim Hood.

Uh, and so is Nevada AG Catherine Cortez Masto.


What is a little more telling are the 8 states that voted for Obama that have filed suit.
Colorado
Florida
Indiana
Michigan
Nevada
Pennsylvania
Virginia
and Washington

 

[faethor]

Virginia, as a result, decided to play the race card and declare Confederate History Month. The so called 'War of Northern Aggression' is one where the South fired the first gun shot was about many reasons. One of the largest was 'States Rights'. See the South was afraid that the US would take away their State's Right to enslave humans, blacks mostly, and work them as they saw fit.

IMO the closeness to the anti-healthcare bill, again declaring States Rights, from a black President is too near to fully discount some element of racism isn't at play.

 

[ltstanfo]

Virginia, as a result, decided to play the race card and declare Confederate History Month.

I think that is a bit of a stretch, but that is my opinion. I know we have had this discussion before but I do not see racism as a reason for the (large) opposition to the new Health Care laws (many of which have yet to take effect by the way). To "play the race card" is absurd (to me). Still, to each their own... :roll:

With regards to Virginia's "Confederate History Month", I admit I find it odd that it has suddenly popped up. Certainly politics are at play here but for southerners, discussing / celebrating / debating confederate history is just par for the course. I neither defend nor deride this aspect of living in the south but having grown up with it, I see no real issue with it as long as history is presented based on fact. I have certainly heard my share of BS during these discussions of confederate history ("lost cause", "war of northern aggression", "recent unpleasantness") but to simply erase that portion of our history (certainly in the south anyway) is just as BS (IMO).

You may not be aware but several southern states do in fact observe various confederate related holidays. Here in Alabama, we have "Confederate Memorial Day" which occurs on the last Monday in April. More information can be found here. We also observe "Robert E Lee's Birthday" on the same day as "Martin Luther King Day" in January. While this move was clearly done for political reasons (during the segregation days) I have no issue with the day although I would prefer that the two days not be linked. It diminishes them both.

Your mileage may vary.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[redrumloa]

Besides Louisiana, you would think that Reuters would at least try to appear like they are trying to be accurate.

For instance Arizona AG Terry Goddard is also a Democrat.

As is Mississippi AG Jim Hood.

Uh, and so is Nevada AG Catherine Cortez Masto.


What is a little more telling are the 8 states that voted for Obama that have filed suit.
Colorado
Florida
Indiana
Michigan
Nevada
Pennsylvania
Virginia
and Washington

It is also telling when a struggling, lower middle class, physical therapist who is firmly a democrat and who's husband is unemployed for 1+ year and without insursance, and voted for Obama is strongly against this. (In-law Relative of mine)

 

[faethor]

To "play the race card" is absurd (to me). Still, to each their own...
With regards to Virginia's "Confederate History Month", I admit I find it odd that it has suddenly popped up.

It'd been gone for 8 years in Viriginia. It was more than convenient coming on the back of some strongly opposed legislation.

Certainly politics are at play here but for southerners, discussing / celebrating / debating confederate history is just par for the course.... I have certainly heard my share of BS during these discussions of confederate history ("lost cause", "war of northern aggression", "recent unpleasantness") but to simply erase that portion of our history (certainly in the south anyway) is just as BS (IMO).

I'd argue if such a month didn't exist it doesn't erase any portion of history. It's simply not celebrating the sad point in our history where brother killed brother.

Erasing history came from the declaration itself which omitted any mention of slavery. The Virginia Gov. came back and said oops I forget to talk about slavery. Slavery is often cited as the primary reason for the civil war. Such a glaring ommission is taken by many as politics of race.

 

[ltstanfo]

Erasing history came from the declaration itself which omitted any mention of slavery. The Virginia Gov. came back and said oops I forget to talk about slavery. Slavery is often cited as the primary reason for the civil war. Such a glaring ommission is taken by many as politics of race.

On this point we are not disagreeing. To leave out the discussion of slavery as a major (if not the major) cause of the civil war is not only historically irresponsible but borders on the revisionist (which sadly goes hand in hand with a lot of southern / confederate celebrations). Not only is slavery called out in the confederate constitution but it was also listed as a cause by all the states that seceded from the Union. Like I said, if you're going to celebrate it (I don't object) be sure it is accurate.

Regards,
Ltstanfo