America's last days

No bandwidth at work, have to watch later. I am guessing there is much USA bashing and gloating? If so you may want to hold off on that, especially those in the EU. The EU may be worse off than the US.
 
Some of his points are valid, he just can't see the bigger picture on why the elites are wanting to drive the US into complete and utter financial destruction. His point about the Chinese being enslaved is incorrect, they are leaving real slavery in the rural areas to find work in those factories in the cities. They are doing so not at the point of a gun, but the want to better their lives because it's that much worse on the farms. Wealth is being created in China, it's hard to contain the truth.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...s-a-headache/2011/08/05/gIQA801KMJ_story.html

But this is indeed the last days of America as we know it.
 
The last days of the west as we know it.

I don't think the EU can continue as is. So that'll likely breakup as America collapses.

At this stage I'd usually make some quip along the lines of "I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords", but tbh I think that's a little too close to the truth to be funny at this stage.
 
Power shifts like what you're suggesting don't occur without war.
 
Glaucus said:
Power shifts like what you're suggesting don't occur without war.
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It has already begun. Iraq and Afghanistan have left us completely tapped. What we are seeing now is the beginning of the end of western dominance and the rise of the east. We are a spent force and it'll take generations to undo the damage that has been wrought.

And that of course is if fundamentalists such as those who are gaining ground in the US and to a much lesser extent the EU are curb stomped. If not...
 
the_leander said:
The last days of the west as we know it.

I don't think the EU can continue as is. So that'll likely breakup as America collapses.
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The current train of thought on some sites say it will be the EURO to crash and burn dragging down the USD some weeks afterwards. It seems Libya is nearly wrapped up and Syria will be next, so expect the small amount of Syrian oil being sold to Euro to end. The true end will be when the Muslim Brotherhood takes on the Saudi Arabia and that oil comes to a stop.

At this stage I'd usually make some quip along the lines of "I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords", but tbh I think that's a little too close to the truth to be funny at this stage.
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Ditto.
 
Dammy said:
It seems Libya is nearly wrapped up and Syria will be next,
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Really? Libya is almost wrapped up? The rebels are going backwards, France and the UK are having to borrow munitions from Germany and the UN as starting to get edgy about atrocities perpetrated by the rebels and infrastructure damage that falls under war crimes perpetrated by NATO and while the entire West, US and Europe are losing the ability to finance these wars ...

Well, OK, I guess Libya must be wrapping up. Sorry, I misinterpreted you. I thought you meant the west was winning that one.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Really? Libya is almost wrapped up? The rebels are going backwards
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I've been hearing quite the opposite lately. They're within 30 miles of Tripoli and have captured the main oil refinery. Also some high level defections from the Libyan regime spell doom for Gadhafi. It's not over yet, but it's not looking good for Gadhafi either. If I were to bet on the outcome, I'd bet against him right now. NATO might be running short of amo, but I'd guess Gadhafi's forces are a lot more worried about their stocks then NATO is.
 
Problem is most Libyans don't seem to like the rebels. They are viewed as NATO rebels, not Libyan rebels and they do have quite a few Al Quaeda in them as they have admitted. They also aren't getting along with each other at the moment as the leader of the Rebel government fired all his cabinet. These guys don't like each other very much and they've been put together by outsiders to cause trouble. It's a classic coup attempt but Gaddafi still has the loyalty of more tribes. What NATO is trying to do now is grind down the population and the infrastructure enough that the people just can't go on defending their cities - bombing the usual things like the stuff they bombed in Iraq - power, water, sewage. It's not legal but it's always done because you have to crush the will of the populace before you can rule them.

Having NATO bomb the crap out of people and the having the rebels drive up afterwards on their jeeps is not a rebel win and NATO will have to stop bombing at some point.
 
I agree. But I would add that continued pressure by NATO will likely end in Gadhafi' demise. He may fly to exile, he may be betrayed, whatever, but he'll be removed and once that's done NATO will declare victory and move on. I expect Libya to be a basket case for some time to come though.
 
Perhaps the wrong thread for this, but Gadhafi's regime seems to be falling faster then expected. His sons are out of the picture which means the only ones he can now trust are those with plenty of blood on their hands. Rumsfeld would call these guys "dead-enders". Let's see if Gadhafi will die like a soldier or will he try to negotiate some kind of exile (although it may be too late for that). I imagine a full surrender would be considered worse then death. Anyway, markets seem to have liked the news.
 
Glaucus said:
Perhaps the wrong thread for this, but Gadhafi's regime seems to be falling faster then expected. His sons are out of the picture which means the only ones he can now trust are those with plenty of blood on their hands. Rumsfeld would call these guys "dead-enders". Let's see if Gadhafi will die like a soldier or will he try to negotiate some kind of exile (although it may be too late for that). I imagine a full surrender would be considered worse then death. Anyway, markets seem to have liked the news.
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OK, how about this. The rebels fall apart with in fighting - there is some event or series of violent events in, maybe Tripoli - NATO puts boots on the ground for humanitarian purposes - peace keeping force, perhaps.

Because if the Rebel leadership can't get it together then NATO will have to place it's own people directly in there until things settle down.

But, it's not really a part of the downfall of the US. They have managed to wage a really cheap war so far, making France and UK carry much of the cost and letting a bunch of Al Qaeda control the ground and take the places that NATO has bombed the Libyan army out of.

Managing Libya might tax them though. Another destroyed country, sectarian violence as in Iraq and NATO is "forced" to stay for decades and decades for the Libyan people's own good.

Before the NATO invasion, Libya was doing pretty good for an African nation. Obviously too good.
 
Dammy said:
Don't think Soros will sign off on that one.
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T'ain't just Soros. The Muslim Brotherhood had powerful friends before Soros thought he'd like to make them more liberal and less ... "useful".
 
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