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Well, I saw the film this weekend and thought I would share my thoughts on the latest epic by James Cameron.

THE QUICK - The latest CGI meets "Dances With Wolves". It won't be a memorable film for me in terms of story but the visuals set a new standard for everything that follows. This film is worth a view if only for the visuals (in 3D).

PLOT SUMMARY - Our hero, Jake Solly, a former marine who has lost the use of his legs in combat, has replaced his dead brother in an effort to use his "Avatar" (a genetically grown alien which combines human an Na'bi DNA) to learn about the local population on an alien world called Pandora. His goal is to influence the locals to leave their home so that a very valuable (on Earth) mineral can be strip mined from beneath their land. In the process, Jake goes native as he learns more about them and ultimately helps the Na'bi defeat the evil corporate types and return Pandora to "the people".

THE GOOD - Visually, this film is quite simply stunning in its scope. Cameron and his team have created an alien environment from the ground up and remade the Amazon on steroids. For this, I have to say "thank you" to everyone involved. The variety of wildlife, flora and people (the Na'bi) restores my faith that at least someone in Hollywood is still capable of creating something new. Cameron has also (for the first time as far as I can tell) seamlessly integrated live action and the 3D world of cinema in a perfect way. If this film does not win all of the technical Oscars this coming year then that award is obsolete and useless.

THE BAD - Unless you are a tree hugger or an anti-corporate / anti-capitalist type, the visuals is where the magic of this film ends. There is nothing new in the story of this sci-fi epic. As I stated earlier, this film's plot is basically an updated version of "Dances With Wolves". Had this film been released before the Costner blockbuster, I wouldn't be writing this part of my review but it didn't so let me simply sum it up... "civilized" man (broken and battered) needs to start over, winds up at a distant post, meets the "noble savage", learns the savage's ways, becomes one of them and ultimately helps the "noble savage" defeat the "civilized" man. Actually, now that I think about it, were I to place Avatar and Dances With Wolves beside each other for comparison of story and related plot devices, I would prefer Dances With Wolves. It really is that simple. Don't get me wrong, Cameron's use of sci-fi tech and the brilliant visuals are up to his usual first rate standards but even this rock solid portion of Cameron's skill set cannot overcome the tired and well known cowboy and indian theme. In fairness, this isn't the first film to use the classic literary tale as plot but it ultimately falls flat (IMO). It also doesn't help that this plot is easy to spot, early on in the film. While the visuals easily draw the viewer into the movie, the plot does not.

THE UGLY - This film is so heavy handed in its (unhidden) messages about corporate greed, protecting natural resources and (IMO) thinly veiled anti-war sentiment that the viewer should expect constant (virtual) slaps in the face. I was unaware of Cameron's personal / political views and really don't care but the media critics were absolute correct on this accord. It's too bad because in my opinion, these heavy handed messages only further drag down the already tired plot.

THE VERDICT - Were it not for the BAD and UGLY portions mentioned previously, I would easily and readily give this film a 9.5 out of 10. But, since I did mention the BAD and UGLY, my final score drops to a 6.5. This film is worth going to see (for the visuals) but I won't see it again (gee wiz effects only work once) and it won't be on my Blu-Ray list since I don't have a 3D TV. I'd also add that even if I did have a 3D home theater, you have to see the 3D version of this film on the big screen to really appreciate what you are looking at.

Your mileage may vary.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Really, it's that preachy? Sigh... Thanks for the warning...
 
I wasn't planning on seeing it due to the hype. "The next biggest thing since Star Wars" etc. However, I found myself with 3 hours to kill and right next to a theater. I figured if the movie is playing now I'll catch it. It was so....

I agree -- Dances with Wolves in space. I made this comparison right off the bat. There's a bit Star Wars, a bit Dune thrown in. The story is adequate but nothing too complex or compelling.

The visuals are great. 3D in the past has always seemed gimmicky. This 3D was very fluid and natural. The depth of the world is huge. One can tell they really worked overtime thinking about everything on the planet.

Sigourney Weaver was great. Matt Gerald and Giovanni Ribisi were flat.

Due to the special effects I'd recommend seeing the 3D version in a theater.

LSTANFO -
I was unaware of Cameron's personal / political views
Really? Did you not see Alien, Aliens or Terminator?
 
faethor said:
LSTANFO -
I was unaware of Cameron's personal / political views
Really? Did you not see Alien, Aliens or Terminator?

I saw both but initially made no connection. Now that you bring up the topic, and thinking back, I can see the connections. Still, those films were so entertaining (story and effects) that it was easy for me to overlook Cameron's subliminal commentary. :wink:

It doesn't change my view of Cameron's skill as a director / producer but I do think his "preachiness" is getting worse with age. :mrgreen:



Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
... influence the locals to leave their home ...

When you say "influence" do you mean like how US energy companies and Canadian mining companies have been known to do: by hiring people to burn the homes and kill the children of the inconveniently placed people? Are you saying that you support this sort of thing so that you can have a comfy life? Or are you just complaining about people pointing this stuff out to you thus spoiling your enjoyment of the booty.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
ltstanfo said:
... influence the locals to leave their home ...

When you say "influence" do you mean like how US energy companies and Canadian mining companies have been known to do: by hiring people to burn the homes and kill the children of the inconveniently placed people? Are you saying that you support this sort of thing so that you can have a comfy life? Or are you just complaining about people pointing this stuff out to you thus spoiling your enjoyment of the booty.

You will do anything to attempt to pick a debate won't you... nice try Fluffy. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Honestly, I can't say I'm excited about this movie. Visuals alone don't do it for me and in fact I find the cartoony look of the alien people a turn off. Regardless I'm likely to see it anyway as people from work are planning an outing and I'll probably join them. Interestingly, my dislike for CGI characters will probably have me rooting for the evil civilized humans! :hammer:
 
@Glacus.

One thing they do is an amazing job with the facial expressions. Doesn't quite make the CGI go away but it's a significant improvement over past movies.
 
ltstanfo said:
You will do anything to attempt to pick a debate won't you... nice try Fluffy. :wink:

You seemed to feel very strongly about it and made a point of mentioning it in large swaths of type under the sub headings BAD and UGLY. It just seemed like you really really really wanted to talk about it.
 
I wasn't planning to watch the movie (I hate hollywood movies) but a friend of mine insisted I would watch it with him.
And yes, the gfx is top notch (we watched it with 3d glasses) but we got used to that quick enough. What we didn't get used to was the terrible amount of hollywood cliches (like noble savage stereotype) and tedious lengthy action scenes.

I consider myself a tree hugging hippy so I guess this movie is way too much 'corporate' for me :lol:
 
Still haven't seen Avatar. But I have read this: James Cameron Hates America

James Cameron's Avatar has been greeted on the right with the kind of immediate snarling antagonism reserved for Oliver Stone pics. In an article titled "Cameron's 'Avatar' Is a Big, Dull, America-Hating, PC Revenge Fantasy," Big Hollywood's John Nolte called it "Deathwish 5 for leftists." No less an authority than MovieGuide, "the family guide to Christian movie reviews," awarded the movie "four Marxes and an Obama" for its "abhorrent New Age, pagan, anti-capitalist worldview that promotes Goddess worship and the destruction of the human race"—an unfortunate formulation that also happens to clip most of my favorite Disney movies. Drudge has been providing a daily drip-feed of joy-killing stories: "Vatican says no masterpiece," "Audiences experience Avatar blues; depression and suicidal thoughts. ..." In the words of one right-wing blogger: "This is cinema for the Hate America crowd."

So Ltstanfo, were you depressed and contemplated ending it all after the movie? Or did you instead have a sudden urge to pierce your nose, convert to dreadlocks, do without bathing, learn to play the djembe drum or hug a tree?

Anyway, I did see Sherlock Holmes. Now that's a wickedly cool movie and I highly recommend it.
 
I took a walk to the local imax the other night to see this and pretty much agree with most of the comments.
Absolutely gorgeous visually but very clichéd. Script was ropey too.

Well worth seeing in 3D though. Hopefully there'll be better to come.
 
Wow, Avatar won Best Picture and Best Director at the Golden Globes. Anyone surprised? I thought Precious would get it.
 
they have something in common with the catholic church
 
Glaucus said:
So Ltstanfo, were you depressed and contemplated ending it all after the movie? Or did you instead have a sudden urge to pierce your nose, convert to dreadlocks, do without bathing, learn to play the djembe drum or hug a tree?

Neither actually. I just appreciated the new standard in visual effects for what they are and let the numbing PC message ooze out of the way (once I pointed it out). 8) I just don't care for "message movies". To me a film is about being entertained, not preached to. Of course opinions vary so your mileage may vary. :wink:

Glaucus said:
Anyway, I did see Sherlock Holmes. Now that's a wickedly cool movie and I highly recommend it.

I can agree with that. It was a fun, entertaining film. :pint:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
To me a film is about being entertained, not preached to.
actually, almost all of Hitchcock's films have a "message" (they are morality plays, basically). the difference is that He was never heavy-handed about that message. most people never even notice and just have some sense of it under the surface - which is one of the reasons his films never get old. The entertainment value is always very high while the underlying meaning is very subtle


this is lost with many modern films, unfortunately
 
cecilia said:
To me a film is about being entertained, not preached to.
actually, almost all of Hitchcock's films have a "message" (they are morality plays, basically). the difference is that He was never heavy-handed about that message. most people never even notice and just have some sense of it under the surface - which is one of the reasons his films never get old. The entertainment value is always very high while the underlying meaning is very subtle


this is lost with many modern films, unfortunately

Very well put Cecilia. Very well put. And yes, Hitchcock was indeed a master. 8)

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
THE GOOD - Visually, this film is quite simply stunning in its scope. Cameron and his team have created an alien environment from the ground up and remade the Amazon on steroids. For this, I have to say "thank you" to everyone involved. The variety of wildlife, flora and people (the Na'bi) restores my faith that at least someone in Hollywood is still capable of creating something new. Cameron has also (for the first time as far as I can tell) seamlessly integrated live action and the 3D world of cinema in a perfect way. If this film does not win all of the technical Oscars this coming year then that award is obsolete and useless.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

As a followup, I figured I would revisit my comment above about AVATAR needing to win all of the "technical Oscars". Well, it scored pretty well in that catagory (visual effects, art direction and cinematography). Case closed. :pint:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
As a followup, I figured I would revisit my comment above about AVATAR needing to win all of the "technical Oscars". Well, it scored pretty well in that catagory (visual effects, art direction and cinematography). Case closed. :pint:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
... but it still sucked as a movie. :) :pint:

Dances with Wolves in Space... Get it? Got it? Good. Case closed...

Waynebo
 
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