Bernie: Illegals should benefit from Obamacare

Third paragraph:
Sanders believes that in certain cases, undocumented immigrants should be able to purchase health insurance through the exchanges set up under Obamacare, using their own money. The senator has not advocated allowing the undocumented immigrants to receive federal subsidies, his aides said.
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call me crazy but helping people be healthy and happy is a CHRISTIAN thing to do.

and I'm not even a {bleep} christian :D
 
cecilia said:
call me crazy but helping people be healthy and happy is a CHRISTIAN thing to do.

and I'm not even a {bleep} christian :D
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illegal = not allowed by the law : not legal

The only thing the government should be doing is deporting them, since they are "illegal" by law

you are free to give them "your own" funds
 
JoBBo said:
Third paragraph:
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Sanders believes that in certain cases, undocumented immigrants should be able to purchase health insurance through the exchanges set up under Obamacare, using their own money. The senator has not advocated allowing the undocumented immigrants to receive federal subsidies, his aides said.
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I remember when Democrats promised that NO PART of Obama Care was going to go to non US citizens. ...Now its election time...
 
JoBBo said:
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See? Therein lies the rub no one is addressing. The part where -- as a basic tenet of Obamacare -- everyone gets health care, whether or not they can afford it. The simple reality is that illegal aliens won't bother to buy health coverage, and when something happens to them, the average American like myself will have to foot the bill...

I'm not advocating letting people die here, but Obamacare lacks any sort of checks and balances on the issue. After spending hundreds of thousands on an illegal alien who refuses to buy insurance, then what? You can't deport them, you can't arrest and hold them (more expense), you can't... See my point? In essence, and in veiled fact, Bernie believes illegal aliens "should be entitled to" free healthcare, but he expects the average hard-working American who has health insurance to pay for it...

Wayne
 
Wayne said:
I'm not advocating letting people die here, but Obamacare lacks any sort of checks and balances on the issue. After spending hundreds of thousands on an illegal alien who refuses to buy insurance, then what? You can't deport them, you can't arrest and hold them (more expense), you can't... See my point? In essence, and in veiled fact, Bernie believes illegal aliens "should be entitled to" free healthcare, but he expects the average hard-working American who has health insurance to pay for it...

Wayne
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No - that's not was was said in the article. Illegals should be allowed to BUY health insurance through the exchanges. Then your concern is that they won't. But if they don't now then what is the problem of allowing them to pay into insurance? The article also argues that because the immigrants are younger than the American average, they are more likely to be paying in than taking out at the moment.

Even when Jobbo isolated the third paragraph you seemed to have skimmed over it very quickly rather than reading it because what you complain of is very different than the statement made.
 
Okay, just me, maybe I'm not understanding paragraph 3 either. The thing that I'm thinking is, okay, an illegal undocumented person purchases insurance through Obamacare. Doesn't that suddenly make that person "documented" as you need a name, address, proof of residency to apply for health care. So, logically, and this is probably simple, but no illegal person would apply for health care no matter how sick they become.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Illegals should be allowed to BUY health insurance through the exchanges.
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Illegals already have the ability to purchase insurance. No insurance company would refuse money. The "through the exchanges" part is meaningless posturing to get the latino vote...

..and my point remains unaffected.
 
Wayne said:
Illegals already have the ability to purchase insurance. No insurance company would refuse money. The "through the exchanges" part is meaningless posturing to get the latino vote...

..and my point remains unaffected.
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So then ... your point was that Bernie is to be avoided for meaningless pandering to get the latino vote?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
So then ... your point was that Bernie is to be avoided for meaningless pandering to get the latino vote?
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Bernie is being stingy, what about the illegal immigrants who don't have enough money to illegally immigrate ??
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
So then ... your point was that Bernie is to be avoided for meaningless pandering to get the latino vote?
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Why are you coming at this so argumentatively?

It's simple. I believe that the past 8 years of Socialist Dictatorship (Obama) has pretty much worked to destroy this country. Bernie is a self-proclaimed Socialist, therefore, I view any of his stances with complete skepticism if not outright disdain...

Extending rights, "entitlements", and anything else to illegal aliens only further entices them to illegally invade this country en masse, which does nothing but further the Democrat's agenda of completely destroying the Republic and securing a Democrat dictatorship for years to come.

Not interested in arguing this point further. You asked. That's where I stand.
 
Wayne said:
It's simple. I believe that the past 8 years of Socialist Dictatorship (Obama) has pretty much worked to destroy this country. Bernie is a self-proclaimed Socialist, therefore, I view any of his stances with complete skepticism if not outright disdain...
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8 years of socialist dictatorship?
The idea that the last eight years under the corporate bought-and-paid-for Obama have been socialist is utterly ludicrous.
As for a dictatorship, sure, you could *perhaps* make an argument there (albeit a *very* flimsy one) but even that only works if you accept the the previous bunch were part of the same dictatorship.

Sanders I don't know too much about but if he really does have socialist views, then good on him.
That alone will make him very different from not only Obama but anyone else who has run your country in my lifetime.
Of course, it will also destroy any chance he has of being elected.

I actually think you probably know all this and are just venting. :p
 
Reading this thread, I begin to understand why we've lost friends and site membership over the years
 
Wayne said:
Why are you coming at this so argumentatively?
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Wayne, you have made statements that are fact free and subsequently misrepresented (or perhaps ignored or misunderstood) facts presented and it's just odd. You can have a different opinion about what the facts mean but you should at least address the facts (or find facts that refute what's presented) but instead you seem to have some sort of religious aversion to such things and prefer to restate the previous fallacy.

You seem to have no knowledge of what Bernie thinks Socialism is versus what you think Socialism is (and that you think Obama is one and that the policies under him have been Socialist) but neither are you in the least bit curious about finding out.

The point is that if you made your argument based on what Bernie says or stands for instead of on what you assume he must be saying if Socialism means what you think it means is ... kind of ....

Well, it's kind of like those Christians who refused to read Harry Potter because they knew it was Satanic or kids who stick their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALALALA". You won't go to that well because someone says it's poisoned so you would rather die of thirst than test the water.
 
Wayne said:
Reading this thread, I begin to understand why we've lost friends and site membership over the years
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This place has been a cauldron of vigorous and heated debate on many subjects but particularly US foreign policy and politics in general. It's why you carved it off of Amiga.org in the first place. If you look at the attrition rate of users over that time (10 years) it's not really exceptional especially for a board with no central topic. It started small and got a bit smaller. We just don't get new members often - and whenever you open it up we get bots joining - so how to grow if people can't join? Maybe that's all sorted out now with the latest software, but that has been an issue in the past.
Just for the heck of it, just went over to Amiga.org to see how things are over there. Hardly recognize any names from a decade ago. Lot's of members (claiming 12 thousand or so) but the vast majority are members with less than 20 posts (mostly 0s actually). Other boards I visit have similar trends. Even the once might MySpace fell on it's face, Geocities died and AOL ...
If the rule around here was that you have to never disagree with anyone there'd be nothing here at all.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If the rule around here was that you have to never disagree with anyone there'd be nothing here at all.
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Disagreement is one thing. Vehemence is another. Not sure how wide that line is..

The issue with this site however is one of a lack of focus. It serves the purpose well, which is as an AO refugee spot for debate.

Signups are allowed (I'd need to verify) but they require an admin to approve the account before they can post. Whyzzat isn't being advertised anywhere, and truly I've learned the lesson of focus. If we all shared a hobby, like AD&D or the Google Alexa, the site would entice others to join to talk about a shared interest.

The bigger problem here is the degree to which "disagreement" turns into argument, which turns into vehemence, which results in a dwindling user base. We seemingly no longer know how to share and compare differing opinions, instead, we defend and attack, which gets *really* old, *really* quickly...

Wayne
 
I must be missing something.
I've just re-read the thread and, compared to some threads on here in the past, it's incredibly civilised.
 
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