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So you think it was quote mining, huh?
Well here is the original! He was not taken out of context.
 
Fade said:
So you think it was quote mining, huh?
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Yes.

Fade said:
Well here is the original! He was not taken out of context.
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I dunno about anyone else, but I took a somewhat different message from that video than from the first one.

But thank you for providing it.

That said and I'll repeat what I've said in the past, I still feel it would have been better to have expanded medicare/medicaid in order to provide far more rather than tie the insurance industry to it all in the manner that has been set out under current legislation. YMMV on that of course.
 
single payer or bust... i love my socialized medicine.. and im a vet so i know how good it actually is and i wish it upon everyone i know. i get/feel sick... i call clinic... they schedule me appt or tell me to just come on in... i get treated for whatever ails me... i go home... i get piece of paper in mail saying i went for this thing or that... no bill... i dunno... i never thought i was putting my life on the line to get some extra privilege, i want everyman to have exactly what i have or its not worth dying for... i can walk into betheseda and request treatment... same place the president goes... when you are against socialized medicine u seem to be against the same quality care as the "elite" get. hospitals would be forced to acquire ur business... more incentive to have better dr's ... people say its bad... i dunno... the people VA has "on my case" and "caring" for me are actually some of the finest folks i have ever met... they've come a long way since "article 99"... i was supposed to have my hips replaced... they talked me out of surgery now three times... all three hip implants have been recalled... they aint in it for the money... or the prestige... VA gets dr's who actually give a fawk about what they are doing... socialized medicine is evil... harrrumph!!! I love it and you will too!!~~
 
but i ate way too much acid in the 80's, how could i be anything less than a pinko commie socialist scum? ;) sad part of life is really the moment you figure it all out, after that its trying to convince unenlightened masses....its no fun on this earth unless we are all having fun...
 
i mebbe shouldnt say this but my step mom has a brain tumor. my father spent four yrs in the air force and 23 with the post office... he has socialized medicine too... when momma b got sick, the three options his socialized medicine gave him were the mayo clinic, bethesda, and some other place in california, i think... all three, top of the line providers. does ur free care provider offer to refer u to the mayo clinic? ur health insurer? mine will...and i honestly wish all of urs did...and i can be treated by some of the most sought after care providers the entire world has to offer. want healthcare for your spouse? whatever sex they may be... why worry at all? single payer assures you are both cared for... i got news for all of you... clinics are called practices for a reason... its still just a science... which is three steps above faith and "shakin' snakes " at shit trynna heal it... the death panels that will arise will largely be due to the lack of diligence on the consumer and his/her own willful ignorance...
 
oh and i would also point out that i am part of what costs you billions a year in taxes and my combat veteran ass is proud to be a "welfare queen, ooo rah!!!" :whack:
 
robert l. bentham said:
single payer or bust... i love my socialized medicine.. and im a vet so i know how good it actually is and i wish it upon everyone i know.
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Socialized? The Vet system is communism. Government owned and run hospitals, doctors, and plans. What's the result? The VA system has some of the highest client satisfaction ratings in the industry and some of the strongest success rates.

It's funny how Republicans 'hate socialim' but as soon as you ask them when they're going to take away the VA System they come out fighting tooth and nail to keep it. If it's so good that Republicans want it to stay why is it not good enough for the rest of us? Probably due to the Republican desire to create an unequal multiclassed society. In this one the warriors get more benefits than the drones.

While respecting everything our military has done I do have to comment that we have gotten a long way from the Founder's vision. That was the soliders were citizens who fought for a limited time then went back to being a citizen. Retaining no superiority in position over the citizen.

Jefferson wanted every citizen to be solider. And we should be in a reactive non-invasive manner. EG attacking Iraq when they didn't attack us is fairly well against the Founders vision. Likewise Jefferson thought we should not keep unnecessary soliders. The reason has been illustrated by ourselves. It's because we find a use for them, valid or not.

For this reason I'm all with you that the Government has programs that do work as good, if not better, than the private industry. It's unfair to not bring the system along for everyone to benefit in quality improvements and cost savings.
 
i say socialized because it is subsidized thru blue cross and blue shield... mayo is a private place but gov ins. is accepted... and yes we have gotten away from the founders vision... it became increasingly difficult for folks to feel happy with all those dismembered war vets lying about pissing themselves in the streets... and if jefferson wanted every citizen to be a soldier and he had science available to him to keep his warrior population healthy he'd have wanted them to have that too id guess... john mccain lost my vote because he has worst vet track record of most... republicans are just for stuff until they have to pay for it... but evening vespers always contain some gratitude for getting to live here freely... well as much as any of us do anymore...
 
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The most cost-effective place to have a nerve block administered is in the office of a pain management physician specialist. Having a nerve block administered in an ambulatory surgery center or hospital is more expensive than getting a nerve block in a physician's office. There are three major reasons that a physician may want to perform a nerve block in a more expensive setting like an ambulatory surgery center or hospital. ​


    • a) The first reason is physician convenience. Many nerve blocks are administered by anesthesiologists who traditionally "hang out" in surgery environments all day long like ASCs and hospitals. These types of anesthesiologists primarily focus on anesthesia for surgery and may not even have a traditional office for patient appointments. It is convenient for these anesthesiologists' schedules to have you come to them at the place where they perform most of their surgery-based work.



    • b) The second reason is related to equipment. Sometimes a type of portable x-ray machine called a "C-arm" is used during spinal injections so the physician can see inside your body when he or she is performing a spinal injection. Brand new C-arms cost around $100,000 and not many physicians can afford to own them, so these physicians will take their patients to surgical facilities that let them use their C-arms.



    • The need for use of a C-arms during a nerve block largely depends on the physician's comfort giving the injection and the type of injection.



    • Generally, surgery centers do not like buying C-arms because insurance companies know that most nerve blocks don't require them, and refuse to pay anything extra to offset the cost of the C-arms. Whether a C-arm is used on a nerve block or not, the insurance company generally pays the provider the same thing.



    • c) The third reason has to do with money. The patient’s cost of having a nerve block administered in an ASC, includes the anesthesiologist and the ASC. However the patient’s cost of having a nerve block administered in a physician’s office only includes the physician. Over 50% of the ASCs in the United States are at least partially owned by physicians. If your anesthesiologist is an owner in an ASC, he or she will indirectly be paid more because the "extra payment" to the ASC helps to support their investment.



    • Insurance companies knows this, and try to disincentivize physicians from taking patients to ASCs by paying physicians more for nerve blocks that are performed in physicians' offices. A physician that is paid $83 for a nerve block performed in an ASC, would be paid $183 for performing the same nerve block in his or her office. Paying more to the physician actually saves the insurance company and patient money because the ASC would have been paid an additional $300-$650 on top of what the physicians had been paid.



  • Below you can see that the Medicare program and Medicare patients save about 50% on nerve block costs when they are performed in a physician office. Recall that Medicare patients have to pay a 20% coinsurance on the cost of their care. This table only shows the cost difference for the first injection too. Nerve block costs can increase when multiple injections or "levels" are given during one visit. I would expect 2-3 injections per visit.

Medicare Nerve Block Cost Difference for 1st Procedure
ProcedureMD@Office MD@ASC+ASC Fee=TotalCoins Diff
Epidural Nerve Block (62311) $184 $83 $294 $377 $38.60
Lumbar/Sacral, Steroid Injct (c64483) $257 $107 $294 $401 $28.80
Cervical Pain Injection (62310) $212 $101 $294 $395 $36.60
http://www.medicalbillsurvivalguide.com/forum1/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=432
 
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problem solved
 
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