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New 2012 laws in California show how upside down they are.

California is also addressing illegal immigration, but with a bill that allows students who entered the country illegally to receive private financial aid at public colleges.
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While other states are tackling immigration problems, California is doing everything they can to make the problem worse.

A California law will add gays and lesbians and people with disabilities to the list of social and ethnic groups whose contributions must be taught in history lessons in public schools. The law also bans teaching materials that reflect poorly on gays or particular religions.
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So lets think this one through. The most important qualification in deciding what history must be taught to students is if they have sexual intercourse with people of the same sex. Errr, that only makes sense in California. Apparently the same law also bans teaching about 9-11 or AIDS. Gays and Muslims are incapable of being bad? Pretty pathetic. This law will be implemented in a way to further brainwash students making them incapable of thinking for themselves.
 
Perhaps there was supposed to be a link with that?
Seems to be from an Associated Press legislative year in review and a fairly complete version of that appears here.

While California has been allowing illegals to take out student loans from private lenders (horrors - but for the illegals, not California) Georgia has been cracking down.

Supporters said they wanted to deter illegal immigrants from coming to Georgia by making it tougher for them to work. Critics said that changes to immigration law should come at the federal level and that portions of the law already in effect are already hurting Georgia.
"It is destroying Georgia's economy and it is destroying the fabric of our social network in South Georgia," Paul Bridges, mayor of the onion-farming town of Uvalda, said in November. He is part of a lawsuit challenging the new law.
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(Remember the very bad news for various harvests out of Alabama and Georgia because, it seems, gringos can't pick produce so for want of illegals agricultural produce was left rotting in the fields).

redrumloa said:
Apparently the same law also bans teaching about 9-11 or AIDS.
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Whose interpretation is that and how does that follow?
 
Perhaps there was supposed to be a link with that?
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Sorry about that, not sure what happened to the link. It was a top story on Yahoo but now I can't seem to find that exact article. Your link looks close.

While California has been allowing illegals to take out student loans from private lenders (horrors - but for the illegals, not California) Georgia has been cracking down.
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I'm not anti-immigration reform, but California is wrong headed as usual. How is it horror for illegals? If they find it hard to pay, they slip back across the border laughing.

(Remember the very bad news for various harvests out of Alabama and Georgia because, it seems, gringos can't pick produce so for want of illegals agricultural produce was left rotting in the fields).
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Again, I think immigration reform is needed and not entirely impressed with Alabama's heavy handed aproach.

Whose interpretation is that and how does that follow?
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They (California) put it into law so interpretation will be left up to the court after, not if, the lawsuits come flowing in. When law demands you MUST teach about gays as a priority over anything else and all teachings MUST be favorable to gays and religious groups (read - Muslim), you are left with a climate that is not condusive to historical fact. Teaching about 9-11 (jihad) would be seen as unfavorable towards Muslims.

As with everything California, the roll out will be in the absolute worst form. History has proven this over and over.
 
@Redrumloa,
Is this the article you're snipping from?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10015476
It indicates that opponents want to remove their children when positive messages about gays is being taught. So there appears, at present, to be climate of negative or ignoring the contributions of these groups to society. Therefore the present climate is not condusive to historical fact.

I highly doubt 9/11 or AIDS are banned from discussion. I assume that's a 'slippery slope' argument from the right-wing readers. If they really did that it is indeed wrong.
 
faethor said:
@Redrumloa,
Is this the article you're snipping from?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10015476
It indicates that opponents want to remove their children when positive messages about gays is being taught. There clearly are positive contributions from gays and handicapped in our society. No matter what the bigots tell us.

Who was Gay? The easy check list is a large number of authors, actors, directors, atheles etc. There are other important one's you relied on to type that message - Newton and Alan Turning.
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No that was not the article. Pulling children would be silly if that is what some want, somehow I doubt that is the whole story here. Sexual preference is not history, what someone did is history. Someone's contribution to history does not suddenly become more important, because they decided to have sex with some of the same sex.

I highly doubt 9/11 or AIDS are banned from discussion. I assume that's a 'slippery slope' argument from the right-wing readers. If they are that's wrong.
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How can it not be? If you make such a law mandating everything must positive about certain groups, you will exclude real historical events. What you are left with is a Koolaid induced view of the world.

If you want to pass a law, pass a law that history should be taught without a government or teacher slant. History is history.
 
@Redrumloa,
Here's an article from July when the law passed. http://news.yahoo.com/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-teach-gay-history-190037960.html -- This indicates books at California don't talk about contributions of minorities to society.

Sexual preference is not history, what someone did is history. Someone's contribution to history does not suddenly become more important, because they decided to have sex with some of the same sex.
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Sexual preference is indeed history. The US, and many other nations, have had a history of discrimination of minorities even as those minorities were making positive contributions to society.

For example, had Alan Turning is considered the father of computer science and AI. He was gay. And his story ended sadly as he was jailed for his homosexuality, forced to take hormone treatments, and ended up committing suicide. What we see here is a career in one of the most promising technologies in the world and thusly the course of that technology altered due to the Gov's fear of gays.

Since sexuality is one component that makes up a person and history is about people it's unfair to hide it away and hope no notices.

If you want to pass a law, pass a law that history should be taught without a government or teacher slant. History is history.
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History is always biased. The victors take the spoils and write the books. And unfortunately facts are biased from interpetations. Read the article and you'll see the parent's view of history is homosexuals have never provided any positive benefit to society. That's so ludicris that we should indeed intervene and provide an education which is more authentic. Heck read the MetalMan recent posting where he claims Hitler was not religious. Complete bunk!
 
redrumloa said:
No that was not the article. Pulling children would be silly if that is what some want, somehow I doubt that is the whole story here. Sexual preference is not history, what someone did is history. Someone's contribution to history does not suddenly become more important, because they decided to have sex with some of the same sex.

How can it not be? If you make such a law mandating everything must positive about certain groups, you will exclude real historical events. What you are left with is a Koolaid induced view of the world.

If you want to pass a law, pass a law that history should be taught without a government or teacher slant. History is history.
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even the history we know isn't the "real" history, it's based on the snippets provided.
 
faethor said:
Here is the bill. Thus people can read it themselves instead of guessing from news.
http://ca.opengovernment.org/system...bill_20110329_amended_sen_v98.html?1310498422
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This bill would require instruction in social sciences to also include a study of the role and contributions of Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and other ethnic and cultural groups, to the development of California and the United States.
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how DARE CA insist on fairness!!! What is Wrong with them! :rolleyes:
 
redrumloa said:
Everyone except, you know, Caucasian Europeans who were the founding fathers.
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Who are already covered, currently exclusively no doubt in present history lessons, which in turn are likely to remain much as they are. This bill from what I can see is an extension to what is already being taught.
 
the_leander said:
Who are already covered, currently exclusively no doubt in present history lessons, which in turn are likely to remain much as they are. This bill from what I can see is an extension to what is already being taught.
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Maybe in Kingdom of Mercia. There are only so many hours in the day at school. Once you get through the mandatory Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and other ethnic and cultural groups, what time is left for the ones who actually founded the country? As it is school children do not know what the Bill Of Rights, Constitution and Declaration of Independence is upon graduation of high school. Now they will not only be dumbed down, they will be able to recite what celebrity slept with who.
 
redrumloa said:
Maybe in Kingdom of Mercia. There are only so many hours in the day at school. Once you get through the mandatory Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and other ethnic and cultural groups, what time is left for the ones who actually founded the country?
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And how much time, pray tell do you think those groups will take up in their totality? I'm genuinely curious to know.

As it is school children do not know what the Bill Of Rights, Constitution and Declaration of Independence is upon graduation of high school. Now they will not only be dumbed down, they will be able to recite what celebrity slept with who.
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You remember the other day when Robert pulled you up on your hyperbolic scare mongering, like I have several times before... You're doing it again.

Also, there is this thing called the interweb, you might have heard of it, I'm reliabl informed that all the cool kids use it and as such probably know who is banging who already...
 
redrumloa said:
Maybe in Kingdom of Mercia. There are only so many hours in the day at school. Once you get through the mandatory Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and other ethnic and cultural groups, what time is left for the ones who actually founded the country? As it is school children do not know what the Bill Of Rights, Constitution and Declaration of Independence is upon graduation of high school. Now they will not only be dumbed down, they will be able to recite what celebrity slept with who.
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America was clearly founded with the ideas of the Enlightenment that everyone is created equal. Throughout our history and even till today we struggle as a society to understand what 'equality' is. While the old white rich dudes who founded us is important, it's just as important on how equality was gained was over time. The treatment, contribution, and struggle to gain equality for everyone is only done through interactions of those minorities.

It really seems you want history to stop at 1776. Perhaps you've been reading too many Ron Paul letters? We have a rich and diverse history in those ~250 years since our founding and minorities have played a role.
 
faethor said:
It really seems you want history to stop at 1776. Perhaps you've been reading too many Ron Paul letters? We have a rich and diverse history in those ~250 years since our founding and minorities have played a role.
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It seems you seem to think there is a grand conspiracy to keep certain minority groups from being mentioned at all in history, like a whitewash. You act as though Franklin Delano Roosevelt is banished from history books because he was handicapped and J. Edgar Hoover is off limits because he was a cross dressing homosexual. That is complete bunk.

This has nothing to do with equality.
 
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