Can Gingrich last as front-runner?

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Heading into Tuesday night's CNN debate, co-hosted by the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute, the revolving GOP presidential field has a new front-runner: Newt Gingrich.

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If this is representative of what Newt is in competition with, I don't see why not...
 
the_leander said:
If this is representative of what Newt is in competition with, I don't see why not...
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So the middle class should suffer in order to give the "poor" a cushy lifestyle? What is the motivation to put down the joint and get a job?
 
the_leander said:
If this is representative of what Newt is in competition with, I don't see why not...
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Well, here is one reason...

Because it’s not failing schools that trap kids in a cycle of poverty — it’s child labor laws, he maintained, which are "truly stupid."

If he were president, Gingrich told an audience at Harvard University last week, he’d do away with such laws. They’re the real reason for income inequality in this country — if poor kids weren’t "trapped in child laws," they’d be able to earn money. (Just think of the riches they’d earn as school janitors).
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http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2011/11/newt_gingrich_derides_child_la.html
 
Are these people trying to out scum each other or what?

Child labour laws? Really? Whoa..

Between those two and Reds comment... I'm actually at a loss for words.
 
the motivation to put down the joint and get a job kicks in when there is only a roach left and more joints are required or desired? :lol:
 
redrumloa said:
So the middle class should suffer in order to give the "poor" a cushy lifestyle? What is the motivation to put down the joint and get a job?
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Hahahaha... top stuff.
The first part is a non-sequitur and the second a straw man.
That's pretty impressive for such a short post. Take a bow, Jim.
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theonestonecutter said:
the motivation to put down the joint and get a job kicks in when there is only a roach left and more joints are required or desired? :lol:
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Because when I was unemployed I totally wasn't going out to businesses handing out CV's like they were going out of fashion every day...

No sir, I was totally baked the whole time :rolleyes:
 
redrumloa said:
So the middle class should suffer in order to give the "poor" a cushy lifestyle? What is the motivation to put down the joint and get a job?
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Weren't you semi-recently laid off? Did you smoke lots of pot until you got a new job?
 
the_leander said:
Are you serious?
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Yes and no, mostly yes. I do believe the gov should supply a very small safety net, but it should be tiny. I "suffered" for many years starting out raising a family. In no way am I rich now as part of the lower-mid middle class. You could say I still "suffer" at times. The US should not become like the UK where you have a whole underclass of chavs who have no motivation to give up cheap booze, fags and try to get a job.
 
faethor said:
Weren't you semi-recently laid off? Did you smoke lots of pot until you got a new job?
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I have been laid off twice, once with warning and once without. I have been in positions where the contract was lost and had to switch positions or companies probably a dozen times. I have never been without work in my adult life. First time I was laid off I got no public assistance because I had a 2nd (much lower paying) job. 2nd time my company gave me warning to find another job. They did the ethical thing, I work for a great company. After 7 months away at a competitor, they hired me back.

I didn't at any point smoke pot, too many drug tests :)
 
redrumloa said:
I do believe the gov should supply a very small safety net, but it should be tiny.
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Define "tiny". Enough to cover rent and basic necessities perhaps? Maybe bus fair for travelling to interviews etc...

Because that's all the UK benefits system offers. You want more on that you either go black market or you feign illness and even with the latter the increase isn't a huge amount by any measure.

redrumloa said:
The US should not become like the UK where you have a whole underclass of chavs who have no motivation to give up cheap booze, fags and try to get a job.
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Another non sequitur, man that's epic. Who is suggesting such?

The reason the social underclass exists today is due to a couple of generations of neglect (from both sides of the political spectrum) coupled with a social sector that over time has become rife with apologists whose continued employment hinges on the social underclass' existence.

Many of their families were in the mining and manufacturing industries, when those went and were replaced with little or nothing, the result was obvious to everyone except the ideologues. To this day, no one has offered anything to really replace those lost jobs.
 
the_leander said:
Define "tiny". Enough to cover rent and basic necessities perhaps? Maybe bus fair for travelling to interviews etc...

Because that's all the UK benefits system offers. You want more on that you either go black market or you feign illness and even with the latter the increase isn't a huge amount by any measure.
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You mean the UK doesn't have unlimited employment benefits?
 
the_leander said:
Define "unlimited".
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No date of expiration other then of course, death. Maximum in the US has been propped up to 99 weeks, which is clear sign of a disaster in the making because too many people will wait until the last four weeks to find a job.
 
Dammy said:
No date of expiration other then of course, death.
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After 3 months you are invited to and at 6 months you are required to do mandatory work trials, basically working a 35 hour week for your benefits.

There is no getting out of it, you either find a job on your own or you will be put to work at your local DIY centre until you do.

And then there is A4E, or Action 4 Employment, whereupon you will be yelled at, belittled and bullied into applying for jobs that may or may not actually provide living wages or be suitable for lone parents, for instance...

Dammy said:
Maximum in the US has been propped up to 99 weeks, which is clear sign of a disaster in the making because too many people will wait until the last four weeks to find a job.
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Citation needed.
 
isn't it amazing some of the crap American's believe??? :rolleyes:
 
cecilia said:
isn't it amazing some of the crap American's believe??? :rolleyes:
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Don't be so down on your compatriots - that's an international trait.

I, for instance, will believe any old nonsense, as I'm sure Jim and Dammy will be happy to atest. :p
 
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