Canada border agents are nazi-like?

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CATTLE DECAPITATION Frontman Explains Why Band Can't Tour Canada
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=137898

Commented CATTLE DECAPITATION vocalist Travis Ryan: "Here's the deal, guys.

"I made a big mistake in June of 2001. I went out driving after a few drinks and the cops pulled me over. I blew just UNDER THE LEGAL LIMIT on the roadway (.06 — very much under the legal limit), but since I was swerving while looking in the rearview at the cop racing up behind me, they took me in and I got charged with a DUI. I fought it in court and got it reduced to a reckless driving conviction.

"Just to clarify, this all happened in San Marcos, California, not Canada.

"NOW, the Canadian border only cares about what I was charged with — a DUI, which they take very seriously and have threatened me with possible jail time if I try to come back up to Canada without getting it pardoned at the Canadian/U.S. consulate.

"I paid $250 out of my own pocket for a 'temporary residents permit' each of the three times we've been there since 2007. They said if I do not get a 'pardon' or successfully complete an 'application for rehabilitation' before the next time I try to cross into Canada, I will be going to jail. They keep this info in their systems for 10 years.

"In July 2011, this will all be behind me and I will not have to worry about crossing into Canada anymore.

"Blackenedfest was completely out of our control. That whole tour imploded; luckily, most everyone knows that. I had all the appropriate paperwork on me that I got from the courts to show them that I had completed all programs, fines and classes that the court made me attend in hopes that they would take that and let me in for the Blackenedfest shows. I'm glad now that we didn't make it that far because I hear that this would have been inadmissable evidence and would have been denied entry or detained, possibly JAILED.

"As you can see, it's really out of my control at this point.

"I'm going to go start the process but it takes over six months to complete.

"I have hesitated on getting it taken care of sooner because it involves everything from getting a history report from the FBI to having to pay a ton of money to a HUGE list of stuff that I don't even know if I can complete and you won't know if it went through until AFTER you've paid a ton of money and submitted a ridiculously long checklist that is mandatory to complete in its entirety.

And from the comments:
This happened to me a few years ago while trying to cross over into the states from Canada. The border nazis held me for almost three hours while they ran a criminal record check and asked me all sorts of questions. As well, the one power tripping fucker decided to have some fun and tried to instigate a reaction by calling me all sorts of fucked up names. I just sat there in silence. {bleep} jerk.

In the end, I was sent packing after signing a slew of forms agreeing to not enter the country again or I would be arrested and possibly jailed in the US. The really fucked up thing is that my record consisted of an old conviction for possession of one joint many years before this.

You might have thought I was a mad dog heroin smuggler by the way these cats freaked out when my record came back. They ripped the lining out of my leather and strip searched me. They did ask if I would submit to the strip search, but I figured that if I said no, they would have handed me over to cops and, who needs that shit?

Those border dudes held and strip searched someone I work with...a 57 year old woman. I guess she had a restraining order against her husband a few years back so they took it upon themselves to harrass this lady and ruin her vacation.

This all seems over the top. Is this typical Canadian hospitality :?:
 
redrumloa said:
This all seems over the top. Is this typical Canadian hospitality :?:
It's typical border guard hospitality. If you notice the first article comment you posted was from a guy going to the US from Canada, meaning US customs are about the same.

It's all a big joke if you ask me. I understand the need for border guards, but why do they always have to hire those who get the biggest power trips? My big problem with border guards is that you have no recourse really. I could be banned from entering the US if the guard so much as thinks I'm lying. Border guards are like cops with the power of a judge. They can search you at will and jail you for little reason.
 
First time I entered the US from Canada the US border guard was an authoritarian, mirror-shade wearing, stereotypical arsehole.

Last time I went from US into Canada, one of the Canadian border guards was also an authoritarian twat who seemed to be convinced that I was lying about living in Scotland.

Border guard is one of those jobs, like police or bouncer, where it tends to turn people into authoritarian arseholes, a lá the Stanford Prison experiment.
 
I guess it is a good thing I have never traveled out of the country. I'd probably tell them to go shove something somewhere devoid of sunlight, which wouldn't go over too well.
 
Nazi like? You mean they herd up entire groups of people by race and send them off to concentration camps?

Hardly.

I have fairly extensive experience with all four different border US/Can border crossings in Michigan and have never once been harassed in the least. Even though it's a little further away from me, I usually prefer the Blue Water bridge in Port Huron, as it's typically got the least traffic. I can see "Matty" Moroun's Ambassador Bridge from my house on a clear night, but it's usually quite crowded. The tunnel is a little quicker, but it creeps my wife out traveling under the Detroit River. :lol: I've only used the Sault Ste. Marie border about three times for various fishing trips, but it's been fine, as well.

The encounter always goes about the same. Pull your car into a booth line as the traffic widens out after crossing, make sure you pick an appropriate line for your vehicle type (they're clearly marked). Wait behind the scanning zone stripe until the previous car clears the booth (again, this is clearly marked). When the light or gate indicates it's clear, proceed through the scanning zone to the booth. Roll your window down, talk with the guard for a minute. Just answer the questions politely and honestly. Don't be sarcastic or annoying. These guys have had a long day baking in their little booth while dealing with smart asses. Remember, they're really just peons that have to go through a checklist. They're not the ones that set the policy. Help them get through their checklist with a minimum of fuss. Drive through when they tell you to. Remember speed limits are now in Metric, so don't get all excited when you see that "Speed Limit 100" sign as you're re-entering the freeway. Congratulations, you're now in a foreign country.

And, as for the guards attitudes, themselves, the US guys as you're coming back into the US are a lot worse than the Canadians. The only couple "Super Troopers" attitude guys I've seen have all been on the US side. Never had a problem from them, just following common sense courtesy, though. My wife got harassed a bit by a US guard after buying a pair of gloves in Canada and forgetting to declare them when coming back. Of course, I wasn't with her in the car at the time, so I'm not exactly sure what transpired before that point. My wife has a little problem with her sarcasm tone at times. :P And even then, she still got through the border in under 5 minutes, got to keep the gloves, and just got a warning and glare.

Come to think of it, I've never had a problem calling customs directly, either. Canadian waters are a few seconds away from my house. The only time you need to call Canadian customs is if you plan on anchoring or going ashore in Canada, though. And, if you do, you call them before setting off, give times, boat registration number, etc, and you should be all set. You don't need to talk to the US before re-entering in that case. I don't think Canadian customs allow calls from cell phones, though, so that is kind of inconvenient. We don't dock or drop anchor in Canadian waters too often, so I kind of forget. Occasionally while out on the open waters, an OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) boat will pull up for a safety inspection. Really, they just want to see basic equipment (fire extinguisher, throwable life ring or cushion, life jackets, horn) and make sure you're not completely drunk while operating the watercraft. Simple, obvious stuff.

You really don't need to fear traveling. Just use a little common sense and common courtesy. (Of course, both of those are getting rather rare in the US these days...)
 
redrumloa said:
I guess it is a good thing I have never traveled out of the country.

Honestly? Not even North or South?
Changing that would be my number one priority if I were you. There's a whole world out there.

I'd probably tell them to go shove something somewhere devoid of sunlight, which wouldn't go over too well.

Probably not.
 
Honestly? Not even North or South?
It's a lot easier to never leave the US than one might think. I can drive 300 miles north and still be in the same state! Driving 300 miles south puts me one state away (Ohio), driving 300 miles west puts me one state away (Illinois). It's only driving 300 miles east that I'd leave the country. :lol: And, even then, I'd get the opportunity to get back in the US at Niagara Falls! :P

Driving 300 miles from anywhere in any direction in Scotland will probably involve swimming. ;)

I consider myself fairly well traveled but there are several embarrassing omissions of US areas I've never been. It's easy to not make it out of the US. Of course, it certainly does limit your view of the world.
 
ilwrath said:
Honestly? Not even North or South?
It's a lot easier to never leave the US than one might think. I can drive 300 miles north and still be in the same state! Driving 300 miles south puts me one state away (Ohio), driving 300 miles west puts me one state away (Illinois). It's only driving 300 miles east that I'd leave the country. :lol: And, even then, I'd get the opportunity to get back in the US at Niagara Falls! :P

Driving 300 miles from anywhere in any direction in Scotland will probably involve swimming. ;)

Haha - fair point. :-)

It's easy to not make it out of the US. Of course, it certainly does limit your view of the world.

Well, this is what I was getting at. If I'd never left Scotland I'd have an even more narrow-minded view of the world than now. ;-)
 
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