Charlie Hebdo New Controversy

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Charlie Hebdo Stirs New Controversy With Cartoons of Drowned Syrian Kid
 
The whole situation in Europe is completely messed up as a result of this.

Bush and Blair's legacy. Though a legacy continued by their successors apparently without a thought to the consequences.

I can well see in the none too distant future seeing European and American soldiers back on Iraqi soil to try to clean up the mess. I think that it'll take decades to undo the damage.
 
Riding high on their popularity following the tragedy a few months back, it was inevitable that they would screw up somehow, thinking they were immune to criticism now... There's parody, and then there's just poor taste. Looks like they found the line and crossed it.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
So this time you're offended ... but why?
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Never said I was offended. Sorry if I somehow accidentally suggested otherwise... Making fun of Allah? Fair game. Making fun of a dead child? Not so much.

In the end, I'm just not a big fan of parody in general, since what most people think is parody simply isn't funny.
 
the_leander said:
The whole situation in Europe is completely messed up as a result of this.

Bush and Blair's legacy. Though a legacy continued by their successors apparently without a thought to the consequences.

I can well see in the none too distant future seeing European and American soldiers back on Iraqi soil to try to clean up the mess. I think that it'll take decades to undo the damage.
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It's Obama's foreign policy legacy
Obama withdrawal from Iraq, created a power vacuum in 2011

Leon Panetta criticizes Obama for Iraq withdrawal

Obama's Syrian foreign policy disaster
 
Wayne said:
Riding high on their popularity following the tragedy a few months back, it was inevitable that they would screw up somehow, thinking they were immune to criticism now... There's parody, and then there's just poor taste. Looks like they found the line and crossed it.
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and the dead toddler photo being used to further the Muslim refuge PR program?

the story told by the father of drowned toddler Aylan Kurdi has changed several times. It actually was an attempt to send his wife and children into Europe before his own arrival to apply for refugee status as a lone woman with children, while they never actually lived in a war zone.

Aylan Kurdi’s father’s story is full of holes
 
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metalman said:
and the dead toddler photo being used to further the Muslim refuge PR program?
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Is a propoganda piece used to recruit. The Charlie piece was intended as "parody". A little different.
 
metalman said:
the dead toddler photo being used to further the Muslim refuge PR program?
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The dead toddler picture is being used as a PR tool to increase public support of US military involvement to topple Assad while pretending to fight the Saudi/Qatari funded ISIS.
 
metalman said:
Obama withdrawal from Iraq, created a power vacuum in 2011
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Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003 created that power vacuum. A 2012 Defence Intelligence Agency paper found that letting ISIS go after Syria was in line with US objectives of isolating and toppling the Syrian government. The flood of refugees is because the US can't stand that it doesn't control all of the governments in that important part of the world. The flood of refugees is because the US aims to control the oil fields and oil routes and deny them to Russia and China who are principle geopolitical rivals and the US is quietly at war with both of those powers.
If the US had told Saudi Arabia and Qatar to shut down funds to ISIS or the weapons shipments would be in jeopardy then there would not be refugees from Syria right now. If the US had not supported a gaggle of terrorists in the far flung east of Libya then there would be far fewer refugees from Libya.
But all this is not "Obama's" foreign policy - this is just a continuation of US foreign policy. It's still pretty much the Neocon plan but with less costly (to the US) military deployment. Even the refugee crisis isn't bad for the US - it principally hurts Germany (and then the rest of Europe) which is completely fine since Europe is another rival.
Using ISIS to degrade Middle Eastern States is like clearing brush using fire. For the most part you can let it do it's job with just some management around the edges - and sometimes a stray spark will set a shed on fire but that's small potatoes compared to the big picture.
The true political art in this whole thing is creating a convincing humanitarian cover story for your own citizens so that they don't baulk - something along the lines of fighting evil doers.
 
Wayne said:
Making fun of Allah? Fair game. Making fun of a dead child? Not so much.
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I don't consider this as making fun of a dead child, certainly not. I don't think satire is always intended to be funny but more intended to place things in an absurd but actually real context. It's more intended to be thought provoking, making you look at events and society as it is now, and pinpoint the scouring clouds that cause the thunderstorm.
 
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