Climate 'science' gone wild: UK researchers to pump toxic sulfates into sky to promote global coolin

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Climate 'science' gone wild: UK researchers to pump toxic sulfates into sky to promote global cooling

The obvious idiocy of such a ridiculous project would be laughable if it were not for the fact that money, presumably derived from taxpayers, is going to be used to pump the sky with toxic particles. Any supposed "reflection" of sunlight back into space that might occur by such actions (a hypothesis that is highly disputed and is most likely a myth ) will hardly make up for the damage done to our skies in the name of climate science.

Nevertheless, the team plans to move full-steam ahead with the project, regardless of its environmental impact. And if initial tests are successful, the team plans to develop a larger version of the device that reaches 20 kilometers, or about 12.5 miles, into the sky.
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I love how half of a chemical compound is now toxic. What sulfate?
 
my mom and I have already been planting lots of trees.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
And a poison to animals.
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More like a byproduct of animals. Luckily CO2 is used by plants and in turn they give us oxygen, fruits, vegetables etc. The more CO2 the more food and breathable air.
 
redrumloa said:
More like a byproduct of animals. Luckily CO2 is used by plants and in turn they give us oxygen, fruits, vegetables etc. The more CO2 the more food and breathable air.
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But there IS a reason we breathe it OUT. CO2 at concentrations above 0.5% are not allowed indoors and prolonged exposure at these levels can lead to serious permanent damage (that's 5000 ppm). This is independent of available oxygen.

At 3% and up you are in danger of dying and at 10% you have about a minute of consciousness to get the heck to some place with better air.

Let's not forget that manure is also plant food and a natural output of animals. Think perhaps that you need more of it in your house or at your workplace?
 
redrumloa said:
Do you want anything pumped into the atmosphere?
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That's not the point I was getting at. It was the sloppy reporting and knee-jerk "omg! sulfates are teh toxic!". For the record, I imagine that if they wanted to simulate the effects of vulcanism they'd actually use various oxides sulfur (SO2 probably), not "sulfates". Volcanoes pump out incredible amounts of the stuff that rises into the stratosphere. This results in minuscule droplets of sulfuric and sulfurous acids which increase the global albedo and basically reflect an increased amount of the solar energy we receive back into space resulting in a "global dimming" effect. While sulfur dioxide certainly is toxic (despite being a food preservative when used sparingly), the toxicity of "sulfates" almost always depends on what they are a sulfate of. In fact, some metals, such as barium that are very toxic indeed, can be removed from water by adding small amounts of say, magnesium sulfate. The barium crashes out because barium sulfate is one of the least water soluble salts known. So insoluble, in fact, that despite the very high toxicity of barium, they can pump your digestive tract full of it and X-Ray you without poisoning you.
 
redrumloa said:
More like a byproduct of animals. Luckily CO2 is used by plants and in turn they give us oxygen, fruits, vegetables etc. The more CO2 the more food and breathable air.
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Not true. There is a limited number of plants. They can absorb a limited amount of CO2. Other things absorb CO2, too, like oceans. Though oceans also off-gas the CO2. And really isn't this the question?'re In a planet that's warming when we have excess and increasing CO2 is that CO2 a factor? Well for that we look at CO2 and it's ability to absorb or reflect radiation. Most, but not all, of that comes from the CO2. And CO2 comes in different flavors -- we can seperate CO2 amounts from natural and mad-made causes.

So Red while you have some base understanding here you need that next step of what happens when the CO2 amount is more than the food can use? And we're clearly there as CO2 is increasing in the atmosphere.
 
Trees cause more pollution than cars. - Ronald Reagan
 
That Ronnie was such a kidder :lol:

meanwhile:
 
Karlos said:
For the record, I imagine that if they wanted to simulate the effects of vulcanism they'd actually use various oxides sulfur (SO2 probably), not "sulfates". Volcanoes pump out incredible amounts of the stuff that rises into the stratosphere. This results in minuscule droplets of sulfuric and sulfurous acids which increase the global albedo and basically reflect an increased amount of the solar energy we receive back into space resulting in a "global dimming" effect.
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Trying to simulate the effect of Volcanism on the atmosphere for $30k .... hmmm,

If an actual volcano were to erupt, say on Iceland, it might send a plume as high as 18000 ft into the atmosphere. Then climate scientists could study if there were any effects of albedo changes, but alas, all recent volcanic eruptions have been too small to have any measurable effects :rolleyes:.
 
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