colbert comments on hpv vaccine

it was 1904 when the supreme court approved of gov requirements for vaccines. As always there is the ability to opt out. So nothing is being forced on anybody. Where has our nation gone when personal opinions of politicians trump facts.
 
There is no mandate. Any family can opt out.
 
there was another link (forgot where now) with comments and one comment was from a women with serious medical issues. she suggested that the doctor should do blood tests to determine how robust the child's immune system is. if there's a problem, that person should not get the vaccine. This a the method used by people with common sense and a respect for logic.

I'm not in favor of people holding a gun to one's head to get a vaccine. that's because I'm not insane or a fascist. that's the technique used by others
 
redrumloa said:
Watched and really didn't find it funny. He totally misses the point, which obviously is not a mistake.
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I think it's you that misses the point. It's not mandatory. Get over it.
 
Glaucus said:
I think it's you that misses the point. It's not mandatory. Get over it.
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Oh really? It is not dead yet even now.

Relating to the authority of the executive commissioner of the Health and Human Services Commission to require immunization against human papillomavirus for a person's admission to elementary or secondary school.

Sounds like it will become mandatory to me. FYI it is against the law to not school your child.

Maybe a little research before puffing your chest out?
 
Rick Perry's HPV mandate returns to haunt him

The bare facts of the HPV episode are straightforward and, for Perry, uncomfortable. In 2007, the governor issued an executive order mandating that middle school-age girls be vaccinated against HPV. His executive order was never implemented due to backlash from the Texas legislature and Christian leaders in the state but the HPV episode has continued to dog Perry ever since.​

National Democrats used the issue against Perry in the 2010 elections, with the Democratic Governors Association funding a graphic commercial showing a needle poised to inject the arm of a young girl.​

Perry won reelection anyway, but former DGA political director Raymond Glendening remains convinced that the HPV issue is a major vulnerability for him “across partisan lines.”​
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redrumloa said:
Maybe a little research before puffing your chest out?
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Similar to any other innoculation parents retain the right to sign a wavier to exempt their child. This may be due to many reasons including religious and philosphical. Here's the research and to help you find it it's bold, underlined, and italicized. If you sign the wavier and provide it to the school they must let you attend.

I think your second post is notable the backlash was from 'Christian leaders' -- it's not that they were against this because science was bad. They're scared, as always, of sex. If this type of cancer was not obtainable from sex there wouldn't be this type of outrage from the Christian right.

"Executive Order RP65 - February 2, 2007
Relating to the immunization of young women from the cancer-causing Human Papillomavirus.
BY THE
GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF TEXAS
Executive Department
Austin, Texas
February 2, 2007

WHEREAS, immunization from vaccine-preventable diseases such as Human Papillomavirus (HPV) protects individuals who receive the vaccine; and

WHEREAS, HPV is the most common sexually transmitted infection-causing cancer in females in the United States; and

WHEREAS, the United States Food and Drug Administration estimates there are 9,710 new cases of cervical cancer, many of which are caused by HPV, and 3,700 deaths from cervical cancer each year in the United States; and

WHEREAS, the Texas Cancer Registry estimates there were 1,169 new cases and 391 deaths from cervical cancer in Texas in 2006; and

WHEREAS, research has shown that the HPV vaccine is highly effective in preventing the infections that are the cause of many of the cervical cancers; and

WHEREAS, HPV vaccine is only effective if administered before infection occurs; and

WHEREAS, the newly approved HPV vaccine is a great advance in the protection of women's health; and

WHEREAS, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend the HPV vaccine for females who are nine years through 26 years of age;

NOW THEREFORE, I, RICK PERRY, Governor of Texas, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the State of Texas as the Chief Executive Officer, do hereby order the following:

Vaccine. The Department of State Health Services shall make the HPV vaccine available through the Texas Vaccines for Children program for eligible young females up to age 18, and the Health and Human Services Commission shall make the vaccine available to Medicaid-eligible young females from age 19 to 21.

Rules. The Health and Human Services Executive Commissioner shall adopt rules that mandate the age appropriate vaccination of all female children for HPV prior to admission to the sixth grade.

Availability. The Department of State Health Services and the Health and Human Services Commission will move expeditiously to make the vaccine available as soon as possible.

Public Information. The Department of State Health Services will implement a public awareness campaign to educate the public of the importance of vaccination, the availability of the vaccine, and the subsequent requirements under the rules that will be adopted.

Parents' Rights. The Department of State Health Services will, in order to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children's health care, modify the current process in order to allow parents to submit a request for a conscientious objection affidavit form via the Internet while maintaining privacy safeguards under current law.

This executive order supersedes all previous orders on this matter that are in conflict or inconsistent with its terms and this order shall remain in effect and in full force until modified, amended, rescinded, or superseded by me or by a succeeding governor.

Given under my hand this the 2nd day of February, 2007.

RICK PERRY(Signature)
Governor

Attested by:
ROGER WILLIAMS(Signature)
Secretary of State
"
 
faethor said:
Similar to any other innoculation parents retain the right to sign a wavier to exempt their child. This may be due to many reasons including religious and philosphical. Here's the research and to help you find it it's bold, underlined, and italicized. If you sign the wavier and provide it to the school they must let you attend.
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Who says the school must let you attend?
 
redrumloa said:
Who says the school must let you attend?
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The government.

Red, recently you did some posturing accusing Glaucus of needing to do research. While it may have been fair it appears that you, yourself hadn't done so either.

Here is the Texas law, I'll snippet the important sub-section. But, now that you have the # you can google and read it in full. But again parents sign a conscious objection form, don't get shots, and go to school.

EDUCATION CODE
TITLE 2. PUBLIC EDUCATION
CHAPTER 38. HEALTH AND SAFETY
§ 38.001 (2007)
§ 38.001. Immuizations; Requirements; Exceptions.


(c) Immunization is not required for a person's admission to any elementary or secondary school if the person applying for admission: (1) submits to the admitting official:

(A) an affidavit or a certificate signed by a physician who is duly registered and licensed to practice medicine in the United States, in which it is stated that, in the physician's opinion, the immunization required poses a significant risk to the health and well-being of the applicant or any member of the applicant's family or household; or
(B) an affidavit signed by the applicant or, if a minor, by the applicant's parent or guardian stating that the applicant declines immunization for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief; or (2) is a member of the armed forces of the United States and is on active duty​
 
cecilia said:
this is the link I referred to earlier
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/643102-i-agree-with-rick-perry-and-michele-bachmann

"Forgotten amid all the prurient right-wing fundamentalist nonsense, is that twelve is the age at which the vaccine produces the best immune response in the body."

and I bring Comment 5 to your attention
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I've heard of the idea of a blood test to see who might react with a immunization. Though is such a thing a reality, does it exist? What is it's accuracy rate? The reason I ask is it's my understanding that the recommendation is not to give immunity comprised people (sick kids, AIDS patients, the elderly) the shoots. I'd think if a blood test existed they'd be using it to help screen which of the comprimised individuals would be a better candidate. I had one Grandma die at 69 and one Grandma die at 94. Either one was in good health and probably that one who ended up being 94, at least, would have been fine with a immunization at 70.
 
faethor said:
(B) an affidavit signed by the applicant or, if a minor, by the applicant's parent or guardian stating that the applicant declines immunization for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief; or (2) is a member of the armed forces of the United States and is on active duty​
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If that is true, reason of conscience, Texas will have proved to be a better state than Florida. I'd be willing to bet in practice this is hard to follow. Florida has no such provision.
 
redrumloa said:
If that is true, reason of conscience, Texas will have proved to be a better state than Florida. I'd be willing to bet in practice this is hard to follow. Florida has no such provision.
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Question is, was the parents explicitly shown this opt out on all forms and letters? Where they told of the risks and that only 3 of the 20+ cervical cancers would be covered, if it worked? Technically you do not have to participate in Social Security, but try that in real life an see how far that gets you. Perry said that this who fiasco was a bad idea, he would not have used Executive Order to have it done and it should have gone through the legislature.

Willing to use Executive Orders on health issues that bypass the legislature and one of the Global Elite farm leagues, Bilderberg Group, I'll pass on Perry.
 
States have to allow for kids to be exempt. Some kids have medical conditions that prevent them from taking any vaccine.
 
redrumloa said:
If that is true, reason of conscience, Texas will have proved to be a better state than Florida. I'd be willing to bet in practice this is hard to follow. Florida has no such provision.
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Not all but many states have a philosphical exemption. Texas does as does Minnesota. Other major reasons are medical condition and religious practice. There's quite a few anti-vaccers online. A google search would probably turn up a map or listing of exemptions by state.
 
Dammy said:
Question is, was the parents explicitly shown this opt out on all forms and letters?
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Prior to being a big issue nation wide it was a big issue in Texas. Christian right-wing groups made their belief that protecting people from cancer is abhorent. If I recall there was protests. Assuming one listens to radio or TV and live in Texas they really couldn't have missed it.

Where they told of the risks and that only 3 of the 20+ cervical cancers would be covered, if it worked?
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I believe the # is 4 out of 20 which is about 70% of cancer with an HPV cause. Don't know about Texas but Minnesota law requires health brochures are given by the Dr. before each decision on the innoculation. Though I'm doubtful of your idea here that a cabal of Drs. are pushing their anti-cancer agenda on the youth.

But I understand where you're coming from here. Should they take Bachmann's 'advice' the parents would certainly be making a decision without the facts.

Willing to use Executive Orders on health issues that bypass the legislature and one of the Global Elite farm leagues, Bilderberg Group, I'll pass on Perry.
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I'm passing on all Republicans. But, certainly if I had a choice Perry is leagues ahead of Bachmann. Bachmann hasn't even fronted legislation which has been passed. If you were afraid of Obama as a do nothing Senator, Bachmann has accomplished even less.
 
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