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I saw this comment on FaceBook:
It is difficult for many to understand the definition of "fascism". They think it is just Hitler and his Bayer Aspirin gas chambers, but it is really the corporate control of the government. It is a very strong capitalistic society, not where capitalism thrives within the confines of federal law, but rather where corporations suck the government teat through tax cuts, handouts, or favorable corporate law over the labor sector. Glen Beck and Fox News are the bearers of this neo-fascist flag. They have many who support it as did Benito and Adolf.
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Since this has come up many times here I figured this was a familiar topic.

but, really, I just like the phrase, "Hitler and his Bayer Aspirin gas chambers" :roflmao:
 
Mussolini described a "corporative state" NOT a "corporate state" :roll:

Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932
Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect.

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State.

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

The Fascist State controls all forces acting in nature. We control political forces, we control moral forces we control economic forces, therefore we are a full-blown Corporative state.
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Italian Fascism described itself as a "corporatist political system" in which economy was collectively managed by employers,workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level. Each trade interest (guild) was to form as its own entity with separate organizing parameters according to their own standards.
 
metalman said:
Italian Fascism described itself as.....
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Whatever it describes *itself* as isn't particularly helpful in defining it, is it?

For example, the National Socialist German Workers' Party described themselves as socialist, and while there are some ignorant fools who will believe anything, we get a better idea of the true nature of what an entity is by examining the entity and it's actions, rather than believing it's PR(opaganda).
 
Robert said:
Whatever it describes *itself* as isn't particularly helpful in defining it, is it?

we get a better idea of the true nature of what an entity is by examining the entity and it's actions, rather than believing it's PR(opaganda).
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The Socialist propaganda they used to describe themselves is the agenda they "sold" to get power.
Their "actions" came after they were put in power.

Program of the "National Socialist" German Workers Party

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
 
The Socialist propaganda they used to describe themselves is the agenda they "sold" to get power.
Their "actions" came after they were put in power.
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I'm not sure I understand your point.
Are you saying that the problem is that they turned out to be something other than they claimed?
 
Robert said:
The Socialist propaganda they used to describe themselves is the agenda they "sold" to get power.
Their "actions" came after they were put in power.
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I'm not sure I understand your point.
Are you saying that the problem is that they turned out to be something other than they claimed?
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A Socialist system will not work without a benevolent "Elite' in charge.

The futility of socialism is it always becomes a "Spoils" system which "Allots' spoils for the "greater-good" as determined by the "ELITES"

The power of the "ELITES" is a magnet for a psychopathic narcissistic despot

The Fascists were the more honest about saying what they would do, when in power. They said they were the "Elite" before getting power. The Communists always hid behind "peoples committees" and equality for all. The party members were, however, the more equal, "ELITES"
 
metalman said:
A Socialist system will not work without a benevolent "Elite' in charge.
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Any system will not work without the benevolent "Elite" in charge. For example, we see 30 years of non-benevolent leadership in the trickle down Elitism in America. What we have is now a society that's more haves and more have nots and less of the middle class.

Other Democracies failed because the Elite became non-benevolent absorbing resources from their countries and denying the common man a place at the table.

It's simply history. Once the Elite are corrupt down goes the society. Typically the have some and enough power overthrow the have more and less powerful...

America has been ruled by white upperclass males for the 200+ years of our existence. It's only recently we see things, such as women having a representation equal to their population on the Supreme Court. Even now minorities, especially Hispanics and Asians, are far under represented in the House or the Senate. Heck we can't even elect a black president we have to elect a half black president. If you really believe that Socialism and Fascism have Elites but America doesn't you are sorrily mistaken.
 
faethor said:
metalman said:
A Socialist system will not work without a benevolent "Elite' in charge.
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Any system will not work without the benevolent "Elite" in charge.
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True, the Federalist Papers discuss this. Opponents to the Constitution criticized it for creating a strong central government that could be abusive to individual liberty. Solution, 4 year term for President, 6 year term for Senators, 2 years for Representatives, Bill of Rights.

A socialist system requires many, many more freedoms be given up to the state.

faethor said:
America has been ruled by white upperclass males for the 200+ years of our existence. It's only recently we see things, such as women having a representation equal to their population on the Supreme Court. Even now minorities, especially Hispanics and Asians, are far under represented in the House or the Senate. Heck we can't even elect a black president we have to elect a half black president.
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So you can only be represented by someone of the correct skin color or having the correct sexual anatomy? Doesn't a mulatto represent even more diversity? Maybe you should advocate only mulatto hermaphrodites be nominated to the Supreme Court.

faethor said:
If you really believe that Socialism and Fascism have Elites but America doesn't you are sorrily mistaken.
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There is an Ivory Tower Elite, that thinks it 'knows" what is best for the rest of us.
Obama was elected to a 4 year term, if "the people" agree with his changes, he'll be re-elected in 4 years, if "the people" disagree with his changes, the party in power in Congress will change in 2 years, preventing Obama from making anymore of his changes.
 
metalman said:
A socialist system requires many, many more freedoms be given up to the state.
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Though that's not by default a bad thing. Europe enjoys more socialism than the USA. Education paid by the state for example. I would be glad to give up the freedom of going into debt to better myself for the future. Seems to me on the surface the USA is two steps forward and one step back vs Europe's two steps forward on that account. Healthcare, again paid by the state. 50% of bankrupcies in the USA are tied to medical. USA healthcare is twice as expensive and as a whole provides less quality. Seems like a 'freedom' to change. I truly don't believe the 15 million uninsured Americans are choosing that freedom because it provides a more satifying life. It's their lot due to situational forcings. And when you can't change a freedom it's not a freedom. It's an illusion.

faethor said:
America has been ruled by white upperclass males for the 200+ years of our existence. It's only recently we see things, such as women having a representation equal to their population on the Supreme Court. Even now minorities, especially Hispanics and Asians, are far under represented in the House or the Senate. Heck we can't even elect a black president we have to elect a half black president.
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So you can only be represented by someone of the correct skin color or having the correct sexual anatomy? Doesn't a mulatto represent even more diversity? Maybe you should advocate only mulatto hermaphrodites be nominated to the Supreme Court.
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Way to miss the point! The point is that Elites have been ruling this country since it's inception. It was no blacks as they couldn't vote or only had 2/3 of a vote. It was no women as they couldn't vote. If we're to be the 'Great American Melting pot' we need to do it at all levels of society, and especially the Elites. That's the only way to non-Elite them.

Obama was elected to a 4 year term, if "the people" agree with his changes, he'll be re-elected in 4 years, if "the people" disagree with his changes, the party in power in Congress will change in 2 years, preventing Obama from making anymore of his changes.
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It'll be interesting. Obama has continued the trickle down economic policies put in place by Reagan and supported by every presidency since. I'll be overly suprised if Republicans are able to walk away from the legacy they created.
 
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