Does allah approve of porno?

Well, someone has to investigate those degraded western values. :wink:
 
redrumloa said:
Extensive Porn Stash Found in Bin Laden Compound
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I'm not believing it until they release the porn!!!

OTOH it doesn't surprise me. The SEALs probably have their own extensive collection of porn too.

What WOULD be interesting is to see the helmet cam footage. I bet they won't release that because it probably would be very disturbing - not because it would show the kill shot, but mostly because it would look a lot like a regular SWAT raid - or a home invasion (same thing). This is the sort of thing that is called law enforcement these days - the authorities bust into your house and shoot you in front of your wife(s) and kids.


Apparently in Indiana the courts have ruled that you have no right to resist an illegal entry of your house by the police.

Judging by the popular response to the bin Ladin killing, it seems like the public is ready to adopt this as an acceptable form of policing.
 
hey, while I understand what you are saying the main difference is that bin laden was a criminal.

I just can't cry over him being shot. no matter how much I would have preferred a trial, the main goal was to stop him from killing more people.

the authorities entered his home with "probable cause" which the whole world has watched for many years now.
 
You could say Bin Ladden was a criminal, but he was more then that. He pretty much led an army. Some here would like us not to distinguish between Islamic style terror groups and state sponsored terror such as what Israel does to Palestinians. In that case I see both sides as two peoples struggling for land and freedom, both using similar and deadly tactics in a war of attrition and both sides kill civilians. Al-Qaeda vs the US is no different. Al-Qaeda has performed many attacks on leadership in places like Afghanistan, so that's nothing new for them. And of course it's always been standard military practice to target officers. In WW2 and in Vietnam the troops had orders NOT to salute officers in the field so that enemy snipers couldn't tell who was the officer. So killing a leader is nothing new. The Russians killed Dzhokhar Dudayev with a laser guided missile when they intercepted his phone call. Russian commandos killed Aslan Maskhadov with a hand grenade. Shooting Osama in the face isn't all that different or any worse.
 
cecilia said:
hey, while I understand what you are saying the main difference is that bin laden was a criminal.
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From my observations (not just in this case) that seems to be a very typical pragmatic view. I like the outcome so I won't complain about the procedure. Unfortunately precedent is what unravels due process and the more times due process is forgone the harder it gets to insist that it is followed.

By picking targets that people find it hard to defend the perpetrators of wild west "justice" can start chipping away. Everything being done to "terrorists" will trickle down to US citizens.

Your neighbour will get his door kicked in one day and he'll be shot by law-enforcement (it already happens). It will be OK because he was a criminal (even if that is, in theory, for a judge to decide and not the police). He will stay a criminal and there will be no troublesome trial.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's not such a big change.

Excuse the rhetoric. It's a somewhat more colourful rendition of a news story I read somewhere else but I can't find that version right now[/url].
 
if only everyone was as ethical as you. there would be no wars.....

I see cheney as a criminal and really wish he was on trial. I don't have to list his crimes because they are very well known

i can feel real hatred for him because he's hiding behind my Constitution to {bleep} over people.
 
""Sixteen-year-old Daniel Alvi, one of those who regularly played soccer and cricket in the field in front of the compound, said he daily saw a man in a red Suzuki van drive into the compound with a live goat, while the milkman only delivered outside the security gate and never rang the doorbell.""

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cecilia said:
hey, while I understand what you are saying the main difference is that bin laden was a criminal.

I just can't cry over him being shot. no matter how much I would have preferred a trial, the main goal was to stop him from killing more people.

the authorities entered his home with "probable cause" which the whole world has watched for many years now.
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This was a military operation in a foreign land, it was a kill mission. Fluffy comparing it to a swat operation is off base IMO.
 
redrumloa said:
This was a military operation in a foreign land, it was a kill mission. Fluffy comparing it to a swat operation is off base IMO.
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As the military do more and more "policing" in far off places and the police get more and more militarized at home you will find that "military operation" will become a distinction without a difference. You are drawing lines that are being made fuzzier every day.

You've seen the sound devices that were tested in Iraq then brought home to use on Americans. You've seen the military conducting exercizes in US cities. The more people see it as a legitimate way of doing things (like, for example, an acceptable way of doing justice) the more they will accept it at home and the more they will get it at home.

Am I the only one old enough to remember when these sorts of things belonged in the barbaric past and a dystopia future?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Am I the only one old enough to remember when these sorts of things belonged in the barbaric past and a dystopia future?
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You are quite a bit older than me AFAIK, I am 39 ATM. I think you are a probably a nice guy, but a little off base. There have always been surgical kill missions, the technics have just improved.
 
redrumloa said:
Does allah approve of porno?
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The imaginary, supreme being that OBL claimed to believe in apparently didn't approve of blowing civilians to pieces either but that didn't stop him.

No susrprise here.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
redrumloa said:
This was a military operation in a foreign land, it was a kill mission. Fluffy comparing it to a swat operation is off base IMO.
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As the military do more and more "policing" in far off places and the police get more and more militarized at home you will find that "military operation" will become a distinction without a difference. You are drawing lines that are being made fuzzier every day.

You've seen the sound devices that were tested in Iraq then brought home to use on Americans. You've seen the military conducting exercizes in US cities. The more people see it as a legitimate way of doing things (like, for example, an acceptable way of doing justice) the more they will accept it at home and the more they will get it at home.

Am I the only one old enough to remember when these sorts of things belonged in the barbaric past and a dystopia future?
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like in Indiana ????
remind me not to visit...please!

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/consti ... gue-police
 
metalman said:
""Sixteen-year-old Daniel Alvi, one of those who regularly played soccer and cricket in the field in front of the compound, said he daily saw a man in a red Suzuki van drive into the compound with a live goat, while the milkman only delivered outside the security gate and never rang the doorbell.""

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:roflmao:
 
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