Fake Conservatives are as bad as Democrats

[redrumloa]

Fake Conservatives, such as the "nevertrump" movement are no better than Democrats. To a real Conservative they are even worse than Democrats. You know that Democrats are vile criminals, but Conservatives should have some sort of moral compass and conviction to their positions. Here is an example. The issue of whether murdering a human being is a "choice" is not something any person with conviction in their position should flip-flop on. But here we are...

Tomi Lahren on The View Says She is " Pro Choice " - 3/17/17

Abortion is a choice, because of her conservative views she says. Before you pro-abortion Whyzzat members break out the bubbly, let's she what she's said just 3 months prior.

Tomi Lahren "Final Thoughts" - 12/22/16

A diatribe about how abortion is murder, actually calling it MURDER of babies. So let's get this straight, in just over 3 months time she went from railing that abortion is murder, to being in favor of that exact type of murder (her words) and promoting it to all her Republican women friends? Nothing that comes out of her mouth has any conviction, she's a complete fraud. Who wants to bet she lands a gig on MSNBC? Ironic that Glenn Beck fired her, as he's as big of a fraud as she is. I loathe these people.

 

[JoBBo]

Maybe she or a person close to her had a pregnancy scare in the mean time. New life experiences tend to influence people's opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

Is Trump a Fake Conservative too? For years and years and years, he has publically claimed to be "pro-choice" in interviews with a variety of media outlets (including Fox News). Then, he runs for president and - suddenly - "evolves" to hate abortion and even asks for women to be punished if they terminate a pregnancy.

 

[Robert]

Is Trump a Fake Conservative too?

Trump is a fake everything.

I haven't believed a word out of his mouth for over a decade.

For years and years and years, he has publically claimed to be "pro-choice" in interviews with a variety of media outlets (including Fox News). Then, he runs for president and - suddenly - "evolves" to hate abortion and even asks for women to be punished if they terminate a pregnancy.

Playing to his base.

 

[redrumloa]

Maybe she or a person close to her had a pregnancy scare in the mean time.

Pregnancy "scare"? That's pretty foul to equate making yourself pregnant with getting cancer against your will. It's pretty easy to avoid getting pregnant, the simplest method has 10% success rate! Cancer, not so much.

If someone is terrified with abject horror at the concept of giving life to a human being, why does that woman/man not get the condition taken care of? A woman can get her tubes tied, a man can get a vasectomy. For a woman getting her tubes ties is a hell of a lot less invasive procedure than an abortion.

 

[the_leander]

If someone is terrified with abject horror at the concept of giving life to a human being, why does that woman/man not get the condition taken care of? A woman can get her tubes tied, a man can get a vasectomy. For a woman getting her tubes ties is a hell of a lot less invasive procedure than an abortion.

Getting your tubes tied is actually very difficult, both in the USA and UK. You're more likely to find a surgeon willing to perform an abortion than tubual ligation. But even before that you will be forced to undergo psychological tests and counselling potentially for years. Only after this can you then try to find a surgeon willing to do so. If you've got kids already it's easier, but if you're not and you're young, no chance.

Likewise with men getting the snip, if you've not already had kids you will face a hell of a fight. In both cases you will also likely have to get written permission from your partner to even start the process in a lot of states in the USA.

I would argue the point of invasiveness as well.

 

[JoBBo]

Pregnancy "scare"? That's pretty foul to equate making yourself pregnant with getting cancer against your will.

Actually, I never did anything of the sort.

You brought up cancer and equated it with pregnancy, then tried to pin it on me.

If someone is terrified with abject horror at the concept of giving life to a human being, why does that woman/man not get the condition taken care of? A woman can get her tubes tied, a man can get a vasectomy. For a woman getting her tubes ties is a hell of a lot less invasive procedure than an abortion.

Right. So, rape victims should have known better and gotten their tubes tied before-hand "just in case"?

If this kind of logic is supposed to be representative of American "non-fake conservative values", no thank you.

 

[redrumloa]

Right. So, rape victims should have known better and gotten their tubes tied before-hand "just in case"?

If this kind of logic is supposed to be representative of American "non-fake conservative values", no thank you.

Oh god here we go. Defending millions of abortions per year due to the 1/100,000 done due to rape. If there were 1/100,000th the number of abortions as there is now and they were all due to rape, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Statistically, abortion is done almost exclusively for convenience.

 

[redrumloa]

Ron Paul
Drudge Report founder Matt Drudge does not personally tweet too often, and when he does, he's usually upset with something.

Drudge has been very outspoken recently about his displeasure with the GOP and their support for big government policies that routinely follow elections. He said the party should be "sued for fraud."

But yesterday, Drudge tweeted out some glowing praise for Senator Rand Paul, who just happens to be thought of very highly in this neck of the woods as well!

Matt Drudge: "Rand Paul Is America's Best Senator"

https://twitter.com/x/status/847462462299398144

While according to many, Drudge was a driving force behind the Trump election, Drudge has been very outspoken recently about his displeasure with the GOP.

In early February, Drudge tweeted that the "Republican party should be sued for fraud. NO discussion of tax cuts now. Just lots of crazy. Back to basics, guys!" and "No Obamacare repeal, tax cuts! But Republicans vote to shut Warren? Only know how to be opposition not lead! DANGER "

One month later, Drudge was even more direct, saying "Republicans lied about wanting tax cuts. Can we get our votes back?"

Then, last Thursday, amid the struggle to rally enough Republican votes to pass an ObamaCare repeal-and-replace plan, he tweeted, "The swamp drains you," which many saw as a jab at President Trump's campaign pledge to "drain the swamp."

 

[redrumloa]

Is Trump a Fake Conservative too? For years and years and years, he has publically claimed to be "pro-choice" in interviews with a variety of media outlets (including Fox News). Then, he runs for president and - suddenly - "evolves" to hate abortion and even asks for women to be punished if they terminate a pregnancy.

It is really unfortunate that the search here on Whyzzat doesn't seem to work at all. I was going to link back to before the Primary where I noted my reservations about Trump on abortion. However it does look like his change may have been more gradual, and he at least acknowledged his change of heart and gave an explanation. This Tomi person OTOH did nothing of the sort. In 3 months time she went from full pit bull attack mode calling abortion MURDER, to it being the best thing ever and you are not a true Constitutionalist if you don't have one. No explanation, just acting like she was always pro-abortion.

I think acting is the key word here.

 

[redrumloa]

Pregnancy "scare"? That's pretty foul to equate making yourself pregnant with getting cancer against your will. It's pretty easy to avoid getting pregnant, the simplest method has 10% success rate! Cancer, not so much.

If someone is terrified with abject horror at the concept of giving life to a human being, why does that woman/man not get the condition taken care of? A woman can get her tubes tied, a man can get a vasectomy. For a woman getting her tubes ties is a hell of a lot less invasive procedure than an abortion.

 

[JoBBo]

Oh god here we go. Defending millions of abortions per year due to the 1/100,000 done due to rape. If there were 1/100,000th the number of abortions as there is now and they were all due to rape, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Statistically, abortion is done almost exclusively for convenience.

You are deflecting. You were the one who mocked and ridiculed the mere concept of pregnancies being scary under certain circumstances. Rape-related pregancies are real and can be extremely traumatic. Also, your numbers are obviously way off...