Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

Robert said:
If you have evidence that they've committed a crime, put them on trial.
If you don't, let them go.
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its not a criminal matter
They are armed battlefield detainee's

The Geneva Conventions of 1949 create a comprehensive legal regime for the
treatment of detainees in an armed conflict. Members of a regular armed force and
certain others, including militias and volunteer corps serving as part of the armed
forces, are entitled to specific privileges as POWs. Members of volunteer corps,
militias, and organized resistance forces that are not part of the armed services of a
party to the conflict are entitled to POW status if the organization (a) is commanded
by a person responsible for his subordinates, (b) uses a fixed distinctive sign
recognizable at a distance, (c) carries arms openly, and (d) conducts its operations in
accordance with the laws of war. Groups that do not meet the standards are not
entitled to POW status, and their members who commit belligerent acts may be
treated as civilians under the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian
Persons in Time of War (GC). These “unprivileged” or “unlawful combatants” may be
punished for acts of violence for which legitimate combatants could not be punished.
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FluffyMcDeath said:
Unlawful combatant was made up during Bush's term (Military Commissions Act of 2006).
The Geneva convention has no such category and the US administration had been applying this dubious legal fiction for a while before they decided to codify it into US law.
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You should be very happy, Obama doesn't capture and send anyone to Club Gitmo anymore.

He just has a Predator blow their ass up, or sends in Cheney's assassination squad.
 
faethor said:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” - Sinclair Lewis (1935) Harrison Salisbury 1971
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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and promising universal health care

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Speelgoedmannetje said:
It's for him just a little drop of ink to restore the very fundaments your nation has been founded upon.
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unfortunately, it is not that easy. the American gov is actually complicated being separated into three groups each with their own responsibilities and powers. Executive (the President), legislative (Congress) and Judicial (Supreme Court). The are "supposed" to work together but when they don't we have a bit of chaos.

I see that the discussion about Obama's functioning has been hijacked by conservative extremists.
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they have spent quite a bit of energy blocking and preventing anything good. It's part of the political game around here but this is really a bad time to play games
 
metalman said:
You should be very happy, Obama doesn't capture and send anyone to Club Gitmo anymore.

He just has a Predator blow their ass up, or sends in Cheney's assassination squad.
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That definitely was a "creative" solution to the problem. I'm sure Dick Cheney is happy about that but I can't say that I am.
 
metalman said:
its not a criminal matter
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On the contrary; it's about as criminal as it gets.

They are armed battlefield detainee's
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Isn't terminology interesting?
Stick a convenient label on anyone you choose and lock them up forever, with no trial.

This is the same pish that apologists for this type of behaviour have been spouting since 2001.
The same apologists who, when it suits, label perceived enemies as terrorists.
Now it suits to cry "armed battlefield detainee".
That way your government get to behave horrendously, all the while you're kidding yourself on that your government are the "good guys" and everyone who doesn't agree is a cowardly-terrorist-illegal-combatant.

Perhaps the most amazing aspect of this is that most people thought that way for decades.

Alas, Bush pulled the curtain back and now most of the planet has an idea what US foreign policy is really about.
 
Robert said:
now most of the planet has an idea what US foreign policy is really about.
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I thought the election of Obama meant the planet would luv and respect us??

he even won the Nobel Peace Prize!

and he went on a world apology tour!
 
It's funny to listen to all the European liberals, Canadian Socialists, and the "it's Bush's fault" American wimps complain about Obama now, or make excuses for him, after telling the world that he would be America's savior and the best thing since sliced bread.

Yet, given the chance, you would even now, vote him in again.

Says a lot about your political acumen.
 
Fade said:
Yet, given the chance, you would even now, vote him in again.
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Put "Clinton" for "Bush" and "Bush" for "Obama" then you've written virtually the same thing Democrats were saying about Republican voters in 2004. So long as people keep viewing politics as a team sport this is what you're going to get. I'm sure there are a lot of Dems who would go and vote for a third party if they weren't worried that the Republicans would go a vote in a numb nuts like Romney just because he's wearing a GOP button and, by the same token, there are a lot of Republicans who would vote third party if they weren't afraid Dems aren't just going to vote Obama even if they think he sucks.
 
Speelgoedmannetje said:
Indeed, I thought Obama was supposed to shut down that un-American prison? What's taking him so long?
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It's American now, Obama can send anyone to indefinite prison or have executed, even American's, without a trial.
 
cecilia said:
he tried but the fear mongers kept bitching about 'terrorists' being in prisons close up to americans. the 'what if they escape' bullshit. As if that makes any difference. There are worse criminals right now Right next to citizens and no one says BOO.
there are people in the gov with a vested interest in keeping gitmo around.
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NYC didn't want the terrorist trials let alone housing the prisoners. Not too many places (other then a state or two pimping expensive unused prisons) want to be the new home, the fear of terrorism happening locally, more likely to their children, for exchange of prisoners is great enough for the average American wanting them to remain in GITMO.

Personally, I think the terrorist (enemy combatants if you like) can rot down there. With a high percentage of released detainees returning to the battle field, it's not safe for our troops to release them any time soon. Now if you really want to go screaming and pulling your hair out about government taking your liberty, perhaps you should be out protesting Obama's secret committee that determines if you are a terrorist and deserve to be assassinated without a trial or held indefinitely. Oh wait, Obama is a Progressive, those un-constitutional powers get a wave off, don't want to harm Obama's re-election chances.
 
cecilia said:
I'm not making excuses. just explaining.
this is an educated guess on my part because I obviously don't know Obama personally.

Obama grew up surrounded by bigots, prejudice and people trying to marginalize him.
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Little Barry grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. Who the hell were the bigots there? When he returned to the states, he went to private elite schools and then to powerful elite colleges which again, were private. After graduating (guess all those lines of cocaine helped), he because a community organizer (filed a single law suit during this time, what a waste of being an attorney in Chicago), then was elected to the IL Senate and then a single term later, US Senate. Where was this marginalizing of little Barry? Little Barry turned out to be one of the 1%ers. I have no pity for the man.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Put "Clinton" for "Bush" and "Bush" for "Obama" then you've written virtually the same thing Democrats were saying about Republican voters in 2004. So long as people keep viewing politics as a team sport this is what you're going to get. I'm sure there are a lot of Dems who would go and vote for a third party if they weren't worried that the Republicans would go a vote in a numb nuts like Romney just because he's wearing a GOP button and, by the same token, there are a lot of Republicans who would vote third party if they were afraid Dems aren't just going to vote Obama even if they think he sucks.
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That is because the elites have put their favorite candidates up in both parties. Doesn't matter which party wins if both are fielding their hand picked choices. That is what is going on in the GOP, a conservative revolt against the elite's pick of Romney and his progressive policies. Not that it's going to matter, the financial and currency cataclysm is going to happen, just a matter of how bad and for how long till American beg for a new world currency. Americans then will have no choice but to follow the orders who issue the new electronic currency (read that as the new world reserve) that will be partially backed by gold/silver. Just look at what is happening in Greece, that is how low America will fall. Only good news is, the US won't have it as bad as Europe will have experienced.

Name of the game is control.
 
Dammy said:
Personally, I think the terrorist (enemy combatants if you like) can rot down there. With a high percentage of released detainees returning to the battle field, it's not safe for our troops to release them any time soon.
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Personally if I was wrongly arrested by an invading army, held without trial in a foreign land, then let go once they figured it out I'd sign up for the battle field as soon as my boots hit the homeland.

Now if you really want to go screaming and pulling your hair out about government taking your liberty, perhaps you should be out protesting Obama's secret committee that determines if you are a terrorist and deserve to be assassinated without a trial or held indefinitely. Oh wait, Obama is a Progressive, those un-constitutional powers get a wave off, don't want to harm Obama's re-election chances.
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Obama's not a progressive, never was, he's a moderate. The problem is those of you that didn't take the time to listen to Progressives explaining why and instead tried to sling unfair charges. As for ruling the Progressives did warn about the Patriot Act and slipping down the slope but again the Conservatives just waved us off as crazies. Well sometimes the jack boot has to hit you guys in the face before you figure it out!

The problem is voting Republican, the only other choice in a Presidential election, won't fix it. Patriot Act which grew government control and government spending was passed by Republicans. Taking the power away from a Dem and giving it back to Republican isn't a fix. It only gives you an opportunity to feel less paranoid. Instead I suggest keeping Obama with the power. Hopefully this makes the Republicans paranoid enough they'd do something. Take a look at Santorum, Romney, Gingrich - the issue isn't even worth lip service. I'd argue Gingrich and Santorum are trying to figure out who can out religious fasict out the other.
 
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