FBI shuts down horrendous evil criminal websites

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/21/v ... nline.html

In poker circles, last week’s federal raid has come to be known as “Black Friday.”

“Literally within hours, an entire multi-billion-dollar industry was brought to its knees,” said Scott Long, publisher of the Florida-based Ante Up magazine. The three sites that were busted represented an estimated 70 percent of the U.S. online poker market.

I am so glad they are going after the hardened criminals :roll:
 
redrumloa said:
I am so glad they are going after the hardened criminals :roll:

I have a mix view on that report. The report is very general. I am sure there were some criminals’ activities going on, but from the online website. I am not so sure. There seem to be no real target of the shut down. What bothers me is why PokerStars and Full Tilt would be allowed to resume operations, but only to refund player accounts. The online poker website itself does not do online bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offenses, but gambling executives that do with crimes.
 
I am so glad they are going after the hardened criminals

I think I gotta go against you, here. It was a good idea to close down those sites. Why? Well, a lot of money flows through them. A lot of untracked money. A lot of non-taxed money. Some US, some foreign. That makes for a great front for covert money laundering and payouts for other activities.

Besides, why leave the shady on-line gambling websites out there? If people want to gamble on-line, clear those out. Then establish licensed, regulated, and taxed sites that will actually make the country some money.
 
ilwrath said:
I am so glad they are going after the hardened criminals

I think I gotta go against you, here. It was a good idea to close down those sites. Why? Well, a lot of money flows through them. A lot of untracked money. A lot of non-taxed money. Some US, some foreign. That makes for a great front for covert money laundering and payouts for other activities.

Besides, why leave the shady on-line gambling websites out there? If people want to gamble on-line, clear those out. Then establish licensed, regulated, and taxed sites that will actually make the country some money.

I don't pretend to know all the details, but I don't think money laundering was going on. The 2006 law was enacted specifically for morality reasons against online gambling sites. A whole huge legitimate industry was created, except the possibility of violating this 2006 morality law. Why did they wait 5+ years before enforcing the 2006 morality law?
 
redrumloa said:
I don't pretend to know all the details, but I don't think money laundering was going on. The 2006 law was enacted specifically for morality reasons against online gambling sites. A whole huge legitimate industry was created, except the possibility of violating this 2006 morality law. Why did they wait 5+ years before enforcing the 2006 morality law?
Likely the TaxParty. :wink: Afterall if one wants to cut the government then they must be willing to accept slow or non-service due to that lack of resources.
 
I'm not too surprised about the take down. I'm sure there's a lot of infighting going on, always is when a lot of money is at stake.

What I AM surprised about is how much money people are willing to leave on account with those sorts of organizations.
 
I don't pretend to know all the details, but I don't think money laundering was going on.

I don't really know the details, either. And I suspect we probably wont. But I can say that the government views the problem of online gambling mostly as a money laundering issue. (It's debatable how true this is.... Much like they view the problem of prostitution mostly as a human trafficking issue.)

Anyhow, this is the official US Department of State view (straight from their public website)

While land-based casinos are known to be used in the placement stage of money laundering, in which currency is introduced into the financial system, Internet gambling is particularly well-suited for the laying and integration stages of money laundering, in which launderers attempt to disguise the nature or ownership of the proceeds by concealing or blending transactions within the mass of apparently legitimate transactions. Due in large measure to the volume and speed of transactions, as well as the virtual anonymity offered by the Internet, offshore gambling websites are an area of considerable money laundering concern. The Internet gambling operations are, in essence, the functional equivalent of wholly unregulated offshore banks with the bettor accounts serving as bank accounts for account holders who are, in the virtual world, virtually anonymous. For these reasons, Internet gambling operations are vulnerable to be used, not only for money laundering, but also for criminal activities ranging from terrorist financing to tax evasion.

And apparently, the revised filings are for exactly those things.

A revised indictment issued yesterday includes charges of bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling. It is the latest in a series of criminal cases against Internet gambling companies brought by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in Manhattan.

Why did they wait 5+ years before enforcing the 2006 morality law?

That really is the question, isn't it? What changed that caused the gov to swat them at this time.....? Surely they've known about them for years... Why act now? I don't have any idea what drove that.
 
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