Free energy?

Cool soundtrack (albeit unintentional).

For non-North Americans like me, those train horns are very evocative.
 
The video doesn't work (I may have something blocked at work).... But I can tell you from the title.... "3000 Watt Generator Powers itself..." This one is even hoaxier than the bird wings. :P
 
ilwrath said:
The video doesn't work (I may have something blocked at work).... But I can tell you from the title.... "3000 Watt Generator Powers itself..." This one is even hoaxier than the bird wings. :p
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I'm thinking hoax too but trying to keep an open mind. It looks like WITTS is behind this. Some casual Google searches hasn't turned up much pro or con.
 
I'm thinking hoax too but trying to keep an open mind.
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Well, conservation of energy is pretty cut-and-dried truth. Probably one of the closest things to a universal truth that exists. Either this rig doesn't work, or there's a non-obvious external input. Either way, it's not free energy.
 
redrumloa said:
I'm thinking hoax too but trying to keep an open mind.
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The LAW of convervation of energy is a truth. There's no free energy. I'm all for keeping an open mind. Though you might want to not open it so much you smash it on the floor.

Here's one for you to ponder. We can now produce LEDs which produce better than 100% efficencies. What'd they mean by this and why is not truly the violation of conservation of energy it seems to be?
 
ilwrath said:
Either this rig doesn't work, or there's a non-obvious external input.
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Non-obvious? Wouldn't take much to run another power cord to this set-up and not have it show up on the video. But why would someone be so deliberately deceptive? I dunno. Magicians do it for entertainment, used car salesmen, cult leaders, politicians and businessmen do it for money. There are a lot of suckers out there - and some of them have too much money.
 
redrumloa said:
I'm thinking hoax too but trying to keep an open mind. It looks like WITTS is behind this. Some casual Google searches hasn't turned up much pro or con.
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The basic laws of thermodynamics, which have long stood the test of time, insist that this, and any similar contraption, is a hoax. A self-powering anything is just another way of saying "perpetual motion" machine.

According to the laws of thermodynamics, energy can only be converted from one form to another but not created or destroyed.

For something like this to work, you'd need a perfect motor and perfect dynamo, connected by perfect electrical conductors. What do I mean by perfect? Something that is incapable of causing energy to be converted to other forms and thus lost from the system. Vibration/sound, mechanical resistance, electrical resistance, heating etc. all cause losses that will cause the system to slow down and stop.
 
What Karlos said.

The mere fact that the motors have air vents is enough to disprove this. First, it wouldn't need air vents because a perfect motor wouldn't lose energy in the form of heat and thus would require no cooling. Second, air in fact exerts load on the spinning motor coil in the form of friction, making it impossible for the motor to be 100% efficient. When talking about perpetual motion machines, placing the machine in an air filled room is no different then dunking it in tar, except the air takes much longer to slow things down.

Also, unless the entire contraption was close to 0K, those wires are most certainly not super conducting because no wires are super conducting at "normal" temperatures found on the surface of the earth (especially with global warming etc).
 
Those Laws of Thermodynamics will byte perpetual motion in the ass every time its tried

I only looks like perpetual motion because the run time is limited.
their not starting it up and then letting it supply power to their refrigerator for a few days ;)

any motor becomes a generator once you have it spinning
I've built my own 3 phase power generators using a single phase power input

They're doing something similar, but are using an induction motor mechanically coupled to a permanent magnet generator

take any electric motor and spin it up, then pull the plug, its keeps spinning, but becomes a generator until the energy in the coils is dissipated, can take several minutes.

They're using two different types of electric motors and mechanically coupling, spinning both up to speed, and then using the permanent magnet generator as the supply.

So what you see it true, but what you don't see is the utility power meter spinning like a top on the current inrush to get everything started and spinning up to speed.

They try that with some big motors, and they'll cause a local brown out, and the utility company will put in a demand meter and put them on a commercial rate ;)

There is no free lunch

basically a very sophisticated demonstration of a spinning top,
well in this case two spinning tops mechanically linked, with a whole lot of di, dv, dL, dt going on
and flux, lots of flux
 
Inventor Doesn't Dare Say 'Perpetual Motion Machine'

That's why 46-year-old Heins, a college drop-out from Ottawa who's been working on his project since 1985, is being very cautious. He is the first to admit that he doesn't know how his machine works from a physics standpoint. He just hopes that someone else might understand.

Last week, Heins demonstrated his machine to MIT professor Markus Zahn, an expert in electromagnetic and electronic systems. It proved interesting enough to stump the professor, as well. But Zahn thinks the idea is worth investigating further. "It's an unusual phenomena I wouldn't have predicted in advance," Zahn told The Toronto Star. "But I saw it. It's real."
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What did you think the first time you saw this? Before someone explained why it works?



 
Fade said:
What did you think the first time you saw this? Before someone explained why it works?
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Hmm. Not something I can answer as I'd read about it years before I ever got to see one, and when I did it was the one in the London Science Museum.

As to what movement is in reference to, that is still a matter of conjecture and debate, as the guy said.
 
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