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Careful how you throw around the word "Communism", it makes you look ignorant when you get it wrong all the time.
 
Interesting clip from Wikipedia.

Christian communism
Main article: Christian communism
Christian communism is a form of religious communism centered on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ urge Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Christian communists trace the origins of their practice to teachings in the New Testament, such as this one from Acts of the Apostles at chapter 2 and verses 42, 44, and 45:

42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and in fellowship [...] 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (King James Version)

Christian communism can be seen as a radical form of Christian socialism. Also, due to the fact that many Christian communists have formed independent stateless communes in the past, there is also a link between Christian communism and Christian anarchism. Christian communists may or may not agree with various parts of Marxism.

Christian communists also share some of the political goals of Marxists, for example replacing capitalism with socialism, which should in turn be followed by communism at a later point in the future. However, Christian communists sometimes disagree with Marxists (and particularly with Leninists) on the way a socialist or communist society should be organized.
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point of clarification: I'm not 'anti-religion'.
I'm anti-stupid

anyone can be religious as long as they don't shove it down my throat.

frankly I feel religion should be about
  • love[/*:m:2631a4oh]
  • a personal method to help you get through your day[/*:m:2631a4oh]
  • should NEVER be mixed with politics in ANY way, ever.[/*:m:2631a4oh]

if a religion does not follow this advice I am suspect of the motives.
 
cecilia said:
point of clarification: I'm not 'anti-religion'.
I'm anti-stupid

anyone can be religious as long as they don't shove it down my throat.

frankly I feel religion should be about
  • love[/*:m:dircxayn]
  • a personal method to help you get through your day[/*:m:dircxayn]
  • should NEVER be mixed with politics in ANY way, ever.[/*:m:dircxayn]

if a religion does not follow this advice I am suspect of the motives.
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Good explanation Cecilia, I agree with yout points.
 
I'm anti-stupid too. And religion is stupid.

Red, socialism is an economic system. Communism is a political and economic system. There may be some socialists here, but who's the communist?
 
Glaucus said:
Red, socialism is an economic system. Communism is a political and economic system. There may be some socialists here, but who's the communist?
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Barack Obama.

Oh, you mean here on Whyzzat? Here's where you will dislike my next few comments. Plenty here agree with here Obama's policies. Obama is an admitted Marxist, he in his own words wants to "spread the wealth". His own actions are a push towards communism. I see Socialism as nothing more than a short pitstop on the way to Communism. Of course things never work out the way ideal Communism uptopia explains, in real life you get Soviet Union or Cuba type communism.

Bash away.
 
Glaucus said:
I'm anti-stupid too. And religion is stupid.
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I love listening to Richard Dawkins talk about how irrational religion is.

and, of course, I can't disagree.

what I have observed in some members of my family is that there's this odd kind of schizophrenia where they can compartmentalize their life. The weird superstitions in religion are placed HERE...and the rational things one has to do to live in the real world are placed THERE.

and they seem to operate alright like this. I do a lot of eye rolling, but as long as people keep their funny ideas private, I'm ok with it. I mean, why spoil their day with logic?

:mrgreen:
 
redrumloa said:
Glaucus said:
Red, socialism is an economic system. Communism is a political and economic system. There may be some socialists here, but who's the communist?
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Barack Obama.

Oh, you mean here on Whyzzat? Here's where you will dislike my next few comments. Plenty here agree with here Obama's policies. Obama is an admitted Marxist, he in his own words wants to "spread the wealth". His own actions are a push towards communism. I see Socialism as nothing more than a short pitstop on the way to Communism. Of course things never work out the way ideal Communism uptopia explains, in real life you get Soviet Union or Cuba type communism.

Bash away.
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Have you ever lived in Canada or Europe, and have you lived in the Soviet Union, China or Cuba? THEN you can understand the difference between Socialism and Communism. Socialists do not see Communism as something desireable, far from it. Socialists embrace the freedom and equality as defined during French revolution, and therefore it just isn't a short pitstop on the way to Communism. It's just something different. Saying that, you can as well say that Capitalism is a short pitstop on the way to Feudalism.
Maybe you only like black and white, but you can't ignore the fact that there is a rainbow of colours.
 
redrumloa said:
Glaucus said:
Red, socialism is an economic system. Communism is a political and economic system. There may be some socialists here, but who's the communist?
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Barack Obama.

Oh, you mean here on Whyzzat? Here's where you will dislike my next few comments. Plenty here agree with here Obama's policies. Obama is an admitted Marxist, he in his own words wants to "spread the wealth".
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Do you know who Friedrich von Hayek is? He was a leader of the Austrian school of economics and is a figurehead of the Libertarian movement until today. Reagan and Thatcher both referenced him frequently.

While he was a strong proponent of "limited government", he admitted that markets do not always produce socially desired outcomes and that government should intervene in these rare situations. He furthermore suggested that the state ensure a minimum standard of living for all its citizens. Let me repeat that: One of the leaders of Libertarianism suggested to redistribute income, i.e. "spread the wealth".

Quote: "I have always said that I am in favor of a minimum income for every person in the country."

Will you call the arguably best-known laissez-faire economist a communist too?


His own actions are a push towards communism. I see Socialism as nothing more than a short pitstop on the way to Communism. Of course things never work out the way ideal Communism uptopia explains, in real life you get Soviet Union or Cuba type communism.
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How do you define "short"? And how would you classify the economical systems found in Canada or Western Europe? Do they represent the short pitstops on the way to Communism you mentioned?
 
Glaucus said:
And religion is stupid.
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Do you dare to question the will of the great potato?
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JoBBo said:
Do you know who Friedrich von Hayek is? [...]

Quote: "I have always said that I am in favor of a minimum income for every person in the country."
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Even Adam "Invisible Hand" Smith was not in favour of laissez-faire.
 
redrumloa said:
Interesting clip from Wikipedia.

Christian communism
Main article: Christian communism
Christian communism is a form of religious communism centered on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ urge Christians to support communism as the ideal social system.
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Early Christians, aka before the take over of the political 'church', lived in what today we'd consider a commune.
 
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