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GlobalWarming was wrong
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come on, now, Faethor! It's the biggest scam in history. Crucifiction's too good for 'em, etc....To me, the worse news was that yet another weather satellite went awry with total loss of the unit.
We need REAL DATA on things like the carbon cycle (like the satellite lost last year) and sunspots (which this satellite was to observe) to figure out what's really going on. If there's a conspiracy to find, it's why the hell we can't launch a friggen important research satellite, anymore.
We need REAL DATA on things like the carbon cycle (like the satellite lost last year) and sunspots (which this satellite was to observe) to figure out what's really going on. If there's a conspiracy to find, it's why the hell we can't launch a friggen important research satellite, anymore.
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faethor said:
Include the effect of 2 suns!
The suns — one fuzzy and orange, the other a crisp yellow orb — appeared side-by-side, one slightly higher than the other.
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bummer.ilwrath said:To me, the worse news was that yet another weather satellite went awry with total loss of the unit.
We need REAL DATA on things like the carbon cycle (like the satellite lost last year) and sunspots (which this satellite was to observe) to figure out what's really going on. If there's a conspiracy to find, it's why the hell we can't launch a friggen important research satellite, anymore.
apparently a private corporation, Orbital, made this satellite. and here I thought Privatization was THE way to go??? :roll:
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This reminds me of a similar item I read recently about dormant volcanoes. In the dormant volcano case it was thought that once the magma chamber had settled into a thick semi-solid mush it would take hundreds of years for it to melt again with the injection of fresh magma from below.
The assumption had been that the magma chamber would effectively act as a solid and that melting would proceed by the gradual conduction of the heat energy through the magma thus there would be a slow moving melting front.
It turns out that melting occurs much more rapidly as the semi-solid mush is infiltrated by the hot magma allowing the energy to penetrate deeper and faster, and that convection sets in quite early further accelerating the energy transfer and the rate of melting such that a dormant volcano can become active again with the magma chamber melting in a period as brief as thirty to ninety days.
Similarly, simplistic models of ice sheet warming underestimate the rate at which heat energy enters the ice sheet. Rather than just gradually warming by conduction, surface melt generally penetrates the ice sheet which creates more channels through which more surface water can penetrate - all of which moves much more heat into the ice sheet than would be the case for conduction alone.
The assumption had been that the magma chamber would effectively act as a solid and that melting would proceed by the gradual conduction of the heat energy through the magma thus there would be a slow moving melting front.
It turns out that melting occurs much more rapidly as the semi-solid mush is infiltrated by the hot magma allowing the energy to penetrate deeper and faster, and that convection sets in quite early further accelerating the energy transfer and the rate of melting such that a dormant volcano can become active again with the magma chamber melting in a period as brief as thirty to ninety days.
Similarly, simplistic models of ice sheet warming underestimate the rate at which heat energy enters the ice sheet. Rather than just gradually warming by conduction, surface melt generally penetrates the ice sheet which creates more channels through which more surface water can penetrate - all of which moves much more heat into the ice sheet than would be the case for conduction alone.
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Fluffy. Look no further than your lawnmower for this effect. Air cooled engines have fins to increase their surface area. This provides more effective heat transfer from the hot engine to the cold atmosphere. (Of course hot and cold are relative to each other either) As the law of thermodynamics teaches us the net flow of energy is from hot to cold.
Glaciers aren't prefectly smooth objects. I'd assume, like you said, the underside is pitted with melt and water run off. In many cases the top is melted by warmth and rain then recooled. Likely the surface area is larger than what the satellites measure. Because the satellites are unlikely to measure divots and ruts which increase the surface area. This increased surface area would work like cooling fins on an engine more effectively transferring the heat from the atmosphere to the cold glacier.
IMO your scenario is one that could be validated fairly easily. Measure the same amount of water and freeze it, perhaps a couple of Dixie cups. Take the test subject and increase the surface area by divots and ruts. Weigh. Take the control and weigh then trim but keep the surface flat to match weights. Place on the counter, start the timer, and see which melts first.
Glaciers aren't prefectly smooth objects. I'd assume, like you said, the underside is pitted with melt and water run off. In many cases the top is melted by warmth and rain then recooled. Likely the surface area is larger than what the satellites measure. Because the satellites are unlikely to measure divots and ruts which increase the surface area. This increased surface area would work like cooling fins on an engine more effectively transferring the heat from the atmosphere to the cold glacier.
IMO your scenario is one that could be validated fairly easily. Measure the same amount of water and freeze it, perhaps a couple of Dixie cups. Take the test subject and increase the surface area by divots and ruts. Weigh. Take the control and weigh then trim but keep the surface flat to match weights. Place on the counter, start the timer, and see which melts first.
Just as an aside, it was NASA in charge of the launch, and I think it got borked before the satellite ever had a chance. NO satellite (public or private) is going to work if it doesn't reach orbit.
And as for the rest, its really too early to tell if privatization of space technology is a good or bad thing. Clearly, private companies aren't ready yet. But if they're not allowed to try, will they ever be ready? Gotta start sometime and somewhere. I'm not convinced this is the WRONG time.
But, suffice it to say, I'd be much more in favor of the government spending some money on real and important climate and energy research than on the two overseas wars, carbon tax schemes, and the hodge-podge of other nonsense they're passing off as energy policy, right now.
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oh, no doubt about THAT!ilwrath said:
Just as an aside, it was NASA in charge of the launch, and I think it got borked before the satellite ever had a chance. NO satellite (public or private) is going to work if it doesn't reach orbit.
And as for the rest, its really too early to tell if privatization of space technology is a good or bad thing. Clearly, private companies aren't ready yet. But if they're not allowed to try, will they ever be ready? Gotta start sometime and somewhere. I'm not convinced this is the WRONG time.
But, suffice it to say, I'd be much more in favor of the government spending some money on real and important climate and energy research than on the two overseas wars, carbon tax schemes, and the hodge-podge of other nonsense they're passing off as energy policy, right now.
I was talking to friends about this the other day and we discussed how in the 50's/60's the middle class were doing quite well. a great president, Eisenhower, warned against a huge military machine, we went into space (and are still living with the advances in technology from that adventure, fortunately) and for the last time were actually a great country. And the very rich were taxed heavily.
lose the middle class, lose america. it's that simple.
disrespect science, education and progress and you lose the future.
all these losers in politics who suck on the teat of the very rich are not keeping their eyes on what matters. they only care about their wallets