Good Jews don't let Jews marry non-Jews

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tolerance is for other people!
Video of the "Lost" ad

Which, of course, reminds me of this prank call.

 

[the_leander]

I love the taste of racism in the afternoon, tastes of hypocrisy.

Perhaps if Israel weren't so trigger happy, they might have the chance to build a lasting peace.

 

[Glaucus]

Jews are not the only ones to encourage marrying into the same race or culture. And personally, I don't have serious issues with it. I do have issues with passing laws banning out of culture wedlock though.

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Jews are not the only ones to encourage marrying into the same race or culture. And personally, I don't have serious issues with it. I do have issues with passing laws banning out of culture wedlock though.

It begins with 'culture' and ends up in laws. Face it, we live in a democracy, so people can repress others without bloodshed.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Jews are not the only ones to encourage marrying into the same race or culture. And personally, I don't have serious issues with it.

I do. I dislike ALL of those cultural barriers. It creates divides where institutionalized violence can incubate. It starts with ; they are different : ends with ; we are better.
Now, if a person DECIDES to marry within their culture, and it does cut the overhead in miscommunication and disagreements (slightly ), that's their choice. If people are TOLD who they can marry or not marry then it's oppression.

I do have issues with passing laws banning out of culture wedlock though.

The laws are inherent in the culture.

 

[Glaucus]

Jews are not the only ones to encourage marrying into the same race or culture. And personally, I don't have serious issues with it.

I do. I dislike ALL of those cultural barriers. It creates divides where institutionalized violence can incubate. It starts with ; they are different : ends with ; we are better.

I don't think mere encouragement is a barrier. Threatening to disown or punish those who do is a barrier. I think Jews are more protective of their culture overall but I believe it's a natural reaction to all the hostility they've received over the years. Let's not forget that the converse is also true, that many people are fine with out of culture wedlock - just don't marry a damn Jew. Take any small ethnic group and put them through the endless persecution the Jews have gone through and you might see a similar form of self-protection of the group.

Now, if a person DECIDES to marry within their culture, and it does cut the overhead in miscommunication and disagreements (slightly ), that's their choice. If people are TOLD who they can marry or not marry then it's oppression.

Culture is perhaps the most important part of a person's identity. Unfortunately, a culture of just one person is hard for anyone to enjoy (nothing worse then feeling isolated from everybody). It's natural for people to want to preserve it with those who already share it. In that sense I do sympathize with Quebec, although I still think they go too far with their laws on language. Which kinda brings me back to what I said about the Jews and their views on out of culture wedlock. It's one thing to promote your own culture, but quite another to punish those who deviate from it. I think homogeneity is in ways superior to multiculturalism but at the same time it needs the ability to change with time.

The laws are inherent in the culture.

Not sure what you mean by that. Are you implying something equivalent to sharia law? Orthodox Jews may be harsh but are they the mainstream? I'd say the Muslims are far worse in that department.

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Jews are not the only ones to encourage marrying into the same race or culture. And personally, I don't have serious issues with it.

I do. I dislike ALL of those cultural barriers. It creates divides where institutionalized violence can incubate. It starts with ; they are different : ends with ; we are better.

I don't think mere encouragement is a barrier. Threatening to disown or punish those who do is a barrier. I think Jews are more protective of their culture overall but I believe it's a natural reaction to all the hostility they've received over the years. Let's not forget that the converse is also true, that many people are fine with out of culture wedlock - just don't marry a damn Jew. Take any small ethnic group and put them through the endless persecution the Jews have gone through and you might see a similar form of self-protection of the group.

Nonsense, it has nothing to do with that. Orthodox christians and muslims (and probably other religions too) do not allow marriage outside their religion either.

 

[Glaucus]

Nonsense, it has nothing to do with that. Orthodox christians and muslims (and probably other religions too) do not allow marriage outside their religion either.

If by that you mean a christian priest will refuse to marry you to a non christian, then I suppose you're correct.

Anyway, marriage in general is something we could probably just do away with entirely.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I do. I dislike ALL of those cultural barriers. It creates divides where institutionalized violence can incubate. It starts with ; they are different : ends with ; we are better.

I don't think mere encouragement is a barrier. Threatening to disown or punish those who do is a barrier.

How about informing on people who were "in danger" of marrying outside their culture so that the self ordained culture police could intervene? That's what the ad was about. Don't you think that is somewhat pernicious?

I think Jews are more protective of their culture overall but I believe it's a natural reaction to all the hostility they've received over the years.

The culture of victimhood is not exclusive to Jews. It is a very powerful cohesive force that is used by the leaders of many groups to increase the herd loyalty. The Gypsies have this in spades as well.

Just think about it. Across continents, across races, across cultures and centuries, Jews have eventually become unwelcome and been persecuted - if that happened to you wouldn't you eventually wonder if there was something that maybe you were doing that caused it? At a certain point the culture of victimhood becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If, no matter how accommodating people are you still complain that they are out to get you then you will eventually engender their wrath (which you can then self righteously complain about and say that it confirms what you always thought).

Many churches have used the same paranoid cohesion principle - Satan is out to get you, the non-believers are out to destroy you, saying "Happy Holidays" is a crusade against Christians, etc. etc. etc.

Or how about "They hate us because of our freedoms"?

[quote:1zj0pig3]The laws are inherent in the culture.

Not sure what you mean by that. Are you implying something equivalent to sharia law? Orthodox Jews may be harsh but are they the mainstream? I'd say the Muslims are far worse in that department.[/quote:1zj0pig3]

Culture has laws. You know what they are when you transgress them. They don't have to be written down and those that are written down are usually written down by the elites in the culture (those who benefit the most from the cultural structure). Just because the laws aren't written into the legislation of a state does not mean that they are not there. The Catholic Church has its own law. Muslims have their own law. Jews have their own law. All of these laws are often in tension with state law and so these groups are always somewhat dangerous to the state (unless they are the state as the Catholic Church virtually was from its inception as the new official religion of the Roman Empire and the various Jewish "tribes" sort of were back in the day or as Judaism became the official religion of the Khazar state, Khazars being by far the dominant Jewish population in the modern world heavily outnumbering people of Middle Eastern descent even in Israel, or as Islam was the state under the Caliphate).

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Orthodox Jews may be harsh but are they the mainstream? I'd say the Muslims are far worse in that department.

Radicals are rarely the mainstream but radicals cause problems/change. Many radical philosophies have elitism or exceptionalism built in. Jews are better than non-Jews so can treat them as they will. Muslims are superior to infidels so can kill them if they are inconvenient. Scientologists are just trying to save humanity so "suppressives" (non-scientologists who speak against the organization or try to reach their children in the organization) can be "fair gamed". People who complain when we take over their governments and/or steal their natural resources/poison their environments/kill their children/ are "terrorists" and carpet bombing their families and cattle is legitimate self defense.

While many practitioners of various faiths and beliefs would never subscribe to such extreme ideas left to their own devices the ideas are nonetheless inherent in the philosophy and in extreme groups are elevated to duty. Countless times in history we have had leaders make use of this. It's enshrined in most of the sacred texts. It merely awaits awakening by those who would use it.

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

Nonsense, it has nothing to do with that. Orthodox christians and muslims (and probably other religions too) do not allow marriage outside their religion either.

If by that you mean a christian priest will refuse to marry you to a non christian, then I suppose you're correct.

No I don't mean that. I mean that there are plenty of christian and muslim people who disallow their kids/siblings to have relations with people outside the community.

Anyway, marriage in general is something we could probably just do away with entirely.

Tell that to those orthodox christians, jews and muslims.