Gulf Oil Leak could get to Florida, East Coast & Atlantic

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If it gets into the loop current it could quickly start escaping the gulf. If they don't get a cap on it soon it could kill the whole Gulf of Mexico and then head on out to the Atlantic. Current flow rate is 5,000 barrels a day but the pipe is kinked slowing the flow rate. The oil seems to be carrying quite a load of sand through the pipe and that could abrade the pipe away and open it up for a bigger flow if the problem isn't solved PDQ.

The Exxon Valdez dump 250,000 barrels total and killed animals and the local fishing industry but that was a sparsely populated area. If the 5,000 barrel per day holds then in 50 days we'll have the same amount of oil as the Exxon Valdez (and a lot of that oil is still on the shores up there just a foot below the surface plus Exxon still hasn't paid out on most of the settlements).

The economic impact alone could be massive. The environmental impact ... well, how will anyone ever know how many gigatons of plankton, krill, fish etc die from this impacting food chains all the way up to us.
 
yeah, this is a giant mess

and, of course, when people whine that solar technology (for example) is "too expensive", MY point is how expensive is ruining an entire ecology, and uncounted businesses (fishing, restaurants, etc etc)????

this is the sort of thing that will happen more often as it becomes more difficult to yank the oil out of the planet
 
This is another reminder of how most people are disconnected from the policies they support.

Those who cried out 'Drill Baby Drill' should be forced by law to quit their jobs and go directly to clean up duty for the next 3 months...

Afterall we have 10-20% unemployment. Certainly the business can find a replacement and be run by others in your absence.
 
faethor said:
This is another reminder of how most people are disconnected from the policies they support.

Those who cried out 'Drill Baby Drill' should be forced by law to quit their jobs and go directly to clean up duty for the next 3 months...

Afterall we have 10-20% unemployment. Certainly the business can find a replacement and be run by others in your absence.
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The situation certainly is a nightmare, but just blasting "drill baby drill" is too simplistic. I am all for alternative enlergy, I always have been. The problem is even putting massive effort into it, we are stuck needing near the same level of oil for a decade or so. What do you think happens to not only the economy, but society in general if gasoline hits $100/gal? Besides, if we aren't the ones drilling, someone else will. China and Cuba have been there for years and will continue to be there.
 
cecilia said:
and, of course, when people whine that solar technology (for example) is "too expensive", MY point is how expensive is ruining an entire ecology, and uncounted businesses (fishing, restaurants, etc etc)????

this is the sort of thing that will happen more often as it becomes more difficult to yank the oil out of the planet
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Actually this is something you and I seem to have agreed on, I strongly believe in both Solar and Wind power if implemented properly. I was a supporter of the Pickens Plan, which didn't seem very popular here. It died because oil tanked from $150 to $38 and people have short memories. Now oil is approaching $100 again, despite extremely weak demand. There is no real ceiling for oil.

The problem with alternative energy is the only ways it is currently rolled on a major scale is through corporate handouts that make utility executives rich and implement almost nothing of value. It is also tied in with nonsense like Cap & Trade which has nothing to do with sustainability and everything to do with enslaving the masses to make the top 0.5% far richer.
 
redrumloa said:
cecilia said:
and, of course, when people whine that solar technology (for example) is "too expensive", MY point is how expensive is ruining an entire ecology, and uncounted businesses (fishing, restaurants, etc etc)????

this is the sort of thing that will happen more often as it becomes more difficult to yank the oil out of the planet
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Actually this is something you and I seem to have agreed on, I strongly believe in both Solar and Wind power if implemented properly. I was a supporter of the Pickens Plan, which didn't seem very popular here. It died because oil tanked from $150 to $38 and people have short memories. Now oil is approaching $100 again, despite extremely weak demand. There is no real ceiling for oil.

The problem with alternative energy is the only ways it is currently rolled on a major scale is through corporate handouts that make utility executives rich and implement almost nothing of value. It is also tied in with nonsense like Cap & Trade which has nothing to do with sustainability and everything to do with enslaving the masses to make the top 0.5% far richer.
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the "Cap & Trade" thing sounds - at least in some cases - like a lame excuse for companies to continue polluting.

I know there needs to be time to transition from the old energy to the new, but letting companies buy out of getting to the new seems dumb.

No one claims going "green" is easy. but just look at Greensburg - the town where about 90% of the homes were destroyed by a tornado about 3 years ago.

it's been difficult but most of their alternative energy projects are done or nearly completed. people are starting to move TO that town for jobs and a good life. no one is claiming it's heaven or easy, but it's impressive. and it's all because the have the WILL to do it.

that's all it takes.
 
Drill, baby, drill! :hammer:
 
redrumloa said:
I am all for alternative enlergy, I always have been.
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You know about ITER? $10 billion buck to build a fusion reactor in France. Yes, it's a research project but it IS expected to produce excess power. 10 billion bucks sounds like a lot of money but consider that the war in Iraq an Afghanistan has spent more than 100 billion bucks a year over the course of a decade and hasn't produced much that's useful and the territorial gains are tenuous. If the US had invested its manpower and money and industry into fusion (I'm sure the IMC could retool for that and would be happy to take the cheques) the US would once again be the technological and ideological beacon to the world plus close to total carbon independence and limitless future energy for almost free.

Of course, that kind of forward thinking is too much to expect from a bunch of people that think that all the Jews are going to return to take over all of the holy land whereupon they will all convert to Christianity or burn as a giant Jesus comes out of the sky bringing to an end the old world and instituting the kingdom of heaven on earth within the next couple of decades.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Of course, that kind of forward thinking is too much to expect from a bunch of people that think that all the Jews are going to return to take over all of the holy land whereupon they will all convert to Christianity or burn as a giant Jesus comes out of the sky bringing to an end the old world and instituting the kingdom of heaven on earth within the next couple of decades.
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This sounds much better in the original Klingon.
 
As this thing starts to drag on and the oil that's already in the water is going to be having ecological effects for years no matter what else happens, I'm wondering how many shrimpers are going to lose their businesses and default on their boats and their homes. How many people were counting on the summer tourists to help them make their mortgage? I wonder if Wall St is going to have another bleak September.
 
Cap -n- Trade? The oil industry is capped at a maximum of $75 Million in damages for a spill. The exception is if in a court the company is found to be grossly negligent.

Current cost estimates to clean up the mess are $13.5 Billion. I believe the tax payers will be getting the bill.

I've yet to see any right-winger demand that industry must fully carry the burden of their own risks. (Heck recently Republicans argued Wall Street shouldn't be forced to do this and argue we shouldn't pay taxes to cover our neighbor's lost job.)

Dems are talking how we can change the low cap of protection and ensure it applies to this event.

Cap -n- trade is already in place. We capped the lost private profits of oil companies. We traded it for public losses along with destructions of environment, jobs, and community.
 
Wilse said "Drill, baby, drill!"
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I say just don't let the British do it! :lol:
 
This is awful :(

Fade said:
Wilse said "Drill, baby, drill!"
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I say just don't let the British do it! :lol:
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The rig was American-owned, operated by an American company, with American staff, and using the American company's safety procedures. American regulators gave it a clean bill of health in Feb, March and April. Oh, and the American company Halliburton had the job of cementing the well-head in the first place.

American politicians from Obama to Palin are ochestrating a blame campaign against the British to cover up their own shortcomings.
 
Fade said:
Transocean is not an American company!
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So you meant to say: don't let Americans working on a Swiss vessel contracted to a British company performing work sub-contracted to an American company - do it.
 
As though any of that is relevant.

Keep drilling and keep spilling.

And if you can blame someone else, even better!

Ahahahaha........ :banana:
 
@Robert

Do you own a car? Do you eat food? Do you own things? Just curious.
 
redrumloa said:
@Robert

Do you own a car? Do you eat food? Do you own things? Just curious.
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Food? Don't be ridiculous! I never eat food.

How about you?
Do you eat food? Do you grow your own body hair? Do you possess an arsehole? Just curious.
 
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