Hillary's emails continue to delight

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Recently the FBI grabbed four more servers (or so I heard) and the investigation continues apace even turning up this little gem that one of the Qaddafi boys was willing to talk peace but Hillary told her staff not to take the call.

 
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metalman said:
Hillary's overthrowing Gaddafi was very stupid foreign policy, and set very a bad precedent on negotiating disarmament agreements.
Gaddafi had already had a 2003 agreement with Bush to disarm

President Muammar Gaddafi said that, after months of negotiations with the West, his country was ready to play its role in building a world free from all forms of terrorism

Overthrowing Gaddafi, without installing a new government caused a power vacuum, and has thrown the region into disarray
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Set a precedent? Not too sure I'd agree with that.
More like it continued an already existing pattern stretching back several decades and straddling both cheeks of the RepublOcrat arse.

And how stupid it was is entirely subjective. I'm sure there are still a few folks just as pleased with how well they did from Libya as they are from how well they did from Iraq.
 
metalman said:
Overthrowing Gaddafi, without installing a new government caused a power vacuum, and has thrown the region into disarray
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Same problem as Iraq. The guys they were backing and counting on to be the new government weren't up to it and never had the backing of the population. In both countries the population may not have been fully behind their leader (though to a significant extent they were) the new guys had essentially no legitimacy and were imposed by the US as vassal caretakers and quite obviously so.
Basically the west got what they wanted - a troublesome independent minded leader out of the way, public wealth of the conquered transferred to western ownership and a huge number of radicalised people to prevent the consolidation of a united opposition and as a force to destabilize the rest of the Middle Eastern countries that haven't already signed up to the US "Security" system. (Security System as in - "Nice country you have here. It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.")
 
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Depressingly, many of those who were adamant that believing this sort of thing made you a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob now claim that everybody knew this all along and that it's no big deal.
 
cecilia said:
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Obama created ISIS by withdrawing from Iraq

"one of President Obama's "great achievements" "


"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the "great achievements" of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government," said Biden.
 
metalman said:
... said Biden.
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I have no idea whether Biden actually believed what he was saying there - but ISIS was a policy choice of the US before Obama got in. While Cheney was still in power IS was identified as a generally positive development for accomplishing US goals in the Middle East. Obama certainly played to that by destroying Libya and Hillary's state department played to that by laundering weapons through Benghazi to Al-Qaeda. When the lesser Bush destroyed the stable Iraqi government he pretty much unleashed ISIS but there is plenty of blame to go around even before that. Saudi Arabia is a big backer of Al-Qaeda / ISIS and so are several other Gulf states, and the US could tell them to stop (by cutting arms supplies, for example) but they don't because these terrorists are useful.
This has been done under Clinton, under the previous Bush, under Reagan, and probably so on back and back. The US backing of the Mujahadim (with arms funnelled through Kosovo) is a major obvious example. That ISIS control of Syria INCREASED under US air operations and that they are on the run under Russian air operations should tell you something about the differing priorities of these two nations. If you pay more attention to what is being done and less to what politicians say they think they are doing the world makes a whole lot more sense.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Obama certainly played to that by destroying Libya and Hillary's state department played to that by laundering weapons through Benghazi to Al-Qaeda. When the lesser Bush destroyed the stable Iraqi government he pretty much unleashed ISIS but there is plenty of blame to go around even before that. Saudi Arabia is a big backer of Al-Qaeda / ISIS and so are several other Gulf states, and the US could tell them to stop (by cutting arms supplies, for example) but they don't because these terrorists are useful.
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There was no ISIS before Obama, Obama left a power vacuum which would be filled by some group, it was ISIS that became the "strong horse" to fill the vacuum
 
metalman said:
There was no ISIS before Obama, Obama left a power vacuum which would be filled by some group, it was ISIS that became the "strong horse" to fill the vacuum
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ISIS was IS was Al-Qaeda. It was Saddam Hussein that left the power vacuum in Iraq (because he let Cheney's America destroy his country and kill him). Let's not try to blame the mess on the janitor that was left to clean it up.
 
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