How Republicans will win the election

[FluffyMcDeath]

The secret is a) who counts the vote, b) who gets to vote.

So we know about a). The machines are in place and there are many ways that they can be compromised though there is also little to say that they work fairly even when not compromised. It's a black box with trade secret software that cannot be examined.

But outside of that, there's the "Don't let Democrats vote" approach.
This was used in Florida when Jeb scrubbed the voter database of people likely to be black.

Now, how do you stop Dems from voting? Well, you can discourage them from registering by sending them scary letters. Students are a good target for this sort of thing.

What about poor people. Hmmm. Make them use something they likely don't have for identification. Hmm. How about driver's licenses. Yeah, that's a good one.

Failing to count or "losing" absentee ballots is an old reliable one. Lots of expats and soldiers voting absentee. Tend to go Dem. Won't count them.

Who else? Oh, how about people who just lost their homes? They're the type to be voting Dem, so lets stop them.

Well, at least the Democrat campaign is paying attention, but is it enough?

 

[faethor]

That's lots to say -- Vote stealing. Typical Republican tactics.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

At least some people are keeping an eye out for shenanigans (and getting arrested for it).

 

[metalman]

That's lots to say -- Vote stealing. Typical Republican tactics.

:roflmao:

Obama hid a $800,000 payment to ACORN through "Citizen Service, Inc.. a non-profit group for his campaign advance work in the primary

"There appears to be a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications,"

ACORN a national organization that conducts voter registration drives for low-income people has curtailed its push in Cuyahoga County after the Board of Elections accused its workers of submitting fraudulent registration cards.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Obama hid a $800,000 payment to ACORN through "Citizen Service, Inc.. a non-profit group for his campaign advance work in the primary

It's been like that for years. The Democrats do better when more voters are registered, the Republicans do better when they prevent people from voting.

 

[redrumloa]

Nice theory, but this kills it.

Palm Beach County Lost 3,400 Votes

http://techdirt.com/articles/20080904/0318472165.shtml

Palm Beach County is run by all democrats. Hmm.. I wonder what ballots were lost :?:

 

[faethor]

It's been like that for years. The Democrats do better when more voters are registered, the Republicans do better when they prevent people from voting.

Republicans continue their Voter Caging even with legal proceedings against them and prohibiting the action. It's too bad the Dems are awake enough on the issue to bring the Republicans back to court and empty their coiffers.

 

[redrumloa]

That's lots to say -- Vote stealing. Typical Republican tactics.

Oh how fast we forget (or rather ignore) the mass (democrat) demonstrations outside polling places and open voter intimidation of 2000 and 2004? :roll:

 

[redrumloa]

Republicans continue their Voter Caging even with legal proceedings against them and prohibiting the action. It's too bad the Dems are awake enough on the issue to bring the Republicans back to court and empty their coiffers.

No, you guys are just making a pre-emptive strike because The Chosen Onetm Obama is behind in the polls. You are preparing your conspiracy theories early.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

No, you guys are just making a pre-emptive strike because The Chosen Onetm Obama is behind in the polls. You are preparing your conspiracy theories early.

The Palin effect is fading and Obama is back up. That's why the Repubs have to keep pushing ahead with disenfranchising voters.

(among other numbers).

 

[Wayne]

Oh how fast we forget (or rather ignore) the mass (democrat) demonstrations outside polling places and open voter intimidation of 2000 and 2004? :roll:

Nope, I don't think I'll *ever* forget the 8-year systematic destruction of the United States of America caused by the corrupt Republican Governor of Florida using his power and influence to steal BOTH the 2000 and 2004 elections from Floriduh to hand the Presidency to his retard of a brother.

At least we don't have another Bush running (yet) but that'll probably be coming in 2012 after people forget how stupid Dubya is and how he screwed us all.

 

[faethor]

No, you guys are just making a pre-emptive strike because The Chosen Onetm Obama is behind in the polls. You are preparing your conspiracy theories early.

That's just silly. Right wing media is setting the polls about equal, Obama slightly ahead. These are nationwide polls, mostly worthless IMO. What's important is state to state which before, during both conventions, and after give Obama the win electorially.

Oh and for the accusations of Democratic actions in 2000/2004 they might be fair. However, legally Republicans lost due to caging, but continue to cage. Also, there was a few Republicans, but not enough IMO, that went to jail from 04 in Ohio for vote fraud.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

That's lots to say -- Vote stealing. Typical Republican tactics.

Oh how fast we forget (or rather ignore) the mass (democrat) demonstrations outside polling places and open voter intimidation of 2000 and 2004? :roll:

Or never heard about.

 

[ltstanfo]

Nope, I don't think I'll *ever* forget the 8-year systematic destruction of the United States of America caused by the corrupt Republican Governor of Florida using his power and influence to steal BOTH the 2000 and 2004 elections from Floriduh to hand the Presidency to his retard of a brother.

:roll:

We definitely have to disagree here Wayne. As much as people would like to believe that the two elections specified were "stolen" there has never been any credible evidence to support it. If there was, the mainstream media would have been salivating from day one and even they had to admit they couldn't find anything (reference previous discussions here and on AO). People just don't want to accept that their side lost and look for any (tin hat) reason to explain the failure of their candidate to win.

Be that as it may you are correct that there is not a Bush running this time so be happy. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Wayne]

Be that as it may you are correct that there is not a Bush running this time so be happy. :wink:

Just realized that with McSame running, I could not claim my own point. Unfortunately there just may be enough idiots out there that we may end up with 4/8 more years of Bush Doctrine by way of John McBush and his Trophy VP.

Wayne

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

As much as people would like to believe that the two elections specified were "stolen" there has never been any credible evidence to support it. If there was, the mainstream media would have been salivating from day one and even they had to admit they couldn't find anything (reference previous discussions here and on AO).

There is plenty of credible evidence but the main stream media didn't want to report it. They really didn't have an issue with Bush but rather supported him. They bent over backwards to suppress any scandals from his past during the campaign and instead rode Gore pretending he said he invented the internet, and rode Kerry for his war record (because he actually had one, unlike some other people).

The media has been very very kind to Dubya. To this date only the foreign media has covered the contracts that Jeb gave to cronies to run the database to get rid of black voters in 2000. US media refused to touch it.

 

[ltstanfo]

As much as people would like to believe that the two elections specified were "stolen" there has never been any credible evidence to support it. If there was, the mainstream media would have been salivating from day one and even they had to admit they couldn't find anything (reference previous discussions here and on AO).

There is plenty of credible evidence but the main stream media didn't want to report it. They really didn't have an issue with Bush but rather supported him. They bent over backwards to suppress any scandals from his past during the campaign and instead rode Gore pretending he said he invented the internet, and rode Kerry for his war record (because he actually had one, unlike some other people).

The media has been very very kind to Dubya. To this date only the foreign media has covered the contracts that Jeb gave to cronies to run the database to get rid of black voters in 2000. US media refused to touch it.

Nice try but this is old news and thankfully not taken seriously. Were this information to have any "teeth" it would have wound up in court (with a successful outcome) long ago. Since I don't see any recall elections, lawsuits, settlements, etc.. it just didn't pan out.

Your mileage may vary.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

The media has been very very kind to Dubya. To this date only the foreign media has covered the contracts that Jeb gave to cronies to run the database to get rid of black voters in 2000. US media refused to touch it.

Nice try but this is old news and thankfully not taken seriously. Were this information to have any "teeth" it would have wound up in court (with a successful outcome) long ago. Since I don't see any recall elections, lawsuits, settlements, etc.. it just didn't pan out.

Once again your benchmark is - if it were wrong someone would get prosecuted - is unrealistic. You can't apply this sort of logic to the people and institutions that own and run the courts. We are not talking about a bunch of ordinary people who are subject to such things. When you own the umpires they don't make calls against you (I mean, calls that count).

It was the supreme court that overrode the court and law of Florida to decide the 2000 election. How are you supposed to bring a case to a court that just announced it was biased and didn't give a damn who knew it?

 

[faethor]

We definitely have to disagree here Wayne. As much as people would like to believe that the two elections specified were "stolen" there has never been any credible evidence to support it.

Of course there was evidence. Gore won Florida. Had the Right-wing Supreme Court not stepped on states rights and allowed the count to go forward and not have found 'irrepairable harm to GWB' Bush would not be President.

If there was, the mainstream media would have been salivating from day one

Problem here is you falsely assume the press is a liberal tool, when the exact opposite is the truth.

 

[cecilia]

As much as people would like to believe that the two elections specified were "stolen" there has never been any credible evidence to support it. If there was, the mainstream media would have been salivating from day one and even they had to admit they couldn't find anything (reference previous discussions here and on AO).

There is plenty of credible evidence but the main stream media didn't want to report it. They really didn't have an issue with Bush but rather supported him. They bent over backwards to suppress any scandals from his past during the campaign and instead rode Gore pretending he said he invented the internet, and rode Kerry for his war record (because he actually had one, unlike some other people).

The media has been very very kind to Dubya. To this date only the foreign media has covered the contracts that Jeb gave to cronies to run the database to get rid of black voters in 2000. US media refused to touch it.

http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/ - I just saw this on cable this weekend and while I knew about the DIEbold machines, this was really horrifying.

why people are not REALLY ANGRY about thier votes being compromised is just beyond understanding. esp when they interview computer programmer Clint Curtis about how easy it is to program these machines to do ANything you want.

why give a company control over our most important right??