If you're a McCain supporter...

Oostveen failed to disclose she is a supporter of Barack Obama. She donated $351 to Barack Obama in Q2 of 2008.


Astroturfing

www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/12/144123/747/563/596410]
Viral attacks are where it's at in 2008. Emails, blogs, online news sources. Content flows upstream in today's media environment.

We can be the gun.

Indeed, if Barack can't or won't do the dirty work, then we have to do it for him. No excuses. No more hand-wringing.

Let's get to work. [/url]
 
metalman said:
Oostveen failed to disclose she is a supporter of Barack Obama.
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But she did disclose that she has done campaign work for Obama, right at the top of the article.

Anyway, fortunately she has an unusual name and didn't use a pen name so it does make it easy to look-up.

As for viral, how come you can imagine Dems doing it but you can't seem to see it when the Republicans have been lying to your face for 8 years? Maybe a little viral grass roots (and that IS different from astroturf, btw. You might not know that) is the thing to do, but it's just digging and pushing dirt as opposed to outright fabrication as we see from the Republicans. It's not like the Republican echo-chamber and their tight talkingpoints discipline hasn't been doing that for the right (with taxpayers money even) for a decade.

Is it right to try to spread true information about how bad a candidate actually is? Yes, and the press should be doing it, but they don't. Is Obama perfect, or even great? Hell no. He's owned just like the other guys. It's just that the guys that own Obama aren't as kleptocratically insane as the other guys?

Now, I realize that I might be asking this question of the wrong person but do you really want to live in a Theocratic state with old testament laws? Most people don't but there is a sizable chunk of nutcases that do and the Republicans can play them like fiddles. They don't intend to give them what they want, of course. They just happen to be an easily gulled group that can be manipulated to vote in a block no matter, it seems, how often they are disappointed.
 
The suspended McCain campaign announces that McCain has won the debate only shortly before McCain confirms that he will be in the debate.

Now, that's getting out ahead of the competition. This will give Americans the confidence they need to get behind this powerful and organized team.
 
The suspending the campaign trick clearly failed. There was no reason for McCain to be in the meetings of teams he is not a part of. It clearly showed by his responses, or more appropriately lack of responses. He showed 0 leadership on the issue by sitting there like a stump on a log.
 
faethor said:
The suspending the campaign trick clearly failed. There was no reason for McCain to be in the meetings of teams he is not a part of. It clearly showed by his responses, or more appropriately lack of responses. He showed 0 leadership on the issue by sitting there like a stump on a log.
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Opinions vary Faethor. While I have no doubt there are many who feel McCain made a mistake, I took it as an (small) effort to work out a problem... unlike the "anointed one", who basically said "call me if you need me", which to me could just as easily be interpreted as "I'm to busy to be bothered with my day job".

That being said, McCain was able to do both events so I regard it as no harm done. Obviously opinions vary.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
Opinions vary Faethor.
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It was a huge tactical error. Must have seemed good on the spur of the moment but he obviously didn't think the moves through.

McCain says: Let's drop everything till the emergency is done. He dashes off and does ... nothing (rather than just leaving it to the people who are already doing it) - plus now he has "involved" himself, and whatever plan comes out it a) won't work, b) won't be popular so now he's got that on himself.

Meanwhile Obama goes with the "If they need us, they'll ask us. Let's get on with the job that we're supposed to be doing here." Thus putting McCain on the defensive because if he doesn't show for the debate it's gonna be the "all Obama all the time" show. So McCain has to do a giant flip-flop with the spot-light on himself. Won't be back till it's done becomes - looks like I moved it on close enough to done so it's kinda OK to go on with the campaign.

Yeah, it's "maverick" like wet-starting your Skyhawk. It just has a rushed, ill-considered, unfocused feel to it, which is kind of like McCain and is not what you want running the country.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
It was a huge tactical error. Must have seemed good on the spur of the moment but he obviously didn't think the moves through.
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I agree opinions may very. I've of the one that sitting there and doing nothing gave a bad impression of his ability. Of course would could argue that as he himself stated he doesn't know much about the economy, doing nothing was the best positive contribution he could make.


Meanwhile Obama goes with the "If they need us, they'll ask us. Let's get on with the job that we're supposed to be doing here." Thus putting McCain on the defensive because if he doesn't show for the debate it's gonna be the "all Obama all the time" show.
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I recorded the debate and watched it today. Obama, IMO, won but that doesn't mean McCain had a poor showing. McCain a few lies, but did okay. Overall, it was decent and there were less sound bites then one might expect.
 
faethor said:
I recorded the debate and watched it today. Obama, IMO, won but that doesn't mean McCain had a poor showing. McCain a few lies, but did okay. Overall, it was decent and there were less sound bites then one might expect.
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Interesting. To me (and yes, I did watch the entire debate... took alot not to fall asleep) it was a draw. Neither candidate did anything outstanding (IMO) and the moderator was horrible (Lehrer - PBS). I did find it interesting that (according to CNN) apparently more Democrats watched the debate (be they registered or undecided).

Hopefully the VP debate this week will be a little more insightful.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
The debate was indeed boring, arguing over he said / she said nonsense and lots of sound bites.

What I learned? When McCain gets pissed he chuckles out loud, Obama gets pissed he talks out of turn and turns shades of red.
 
ltstanfo said:
interesting. To me (and yes, I did watch the entire debate... took alot not to fall asleep) it was a draw. Neither candidate did anything outstanding (IMO) and the moderator was horrible (Lehrer - PBS). I did find it interesting that (according to CNN) apparently more Democrats watched the debate (be they registered or undecided).

Hopefully the VP debate this week will be a little more insightful.
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Lehrer was a bad moderator. He definitely doesn't run a tight ship.

Palin insightful? So far not with Katie Curick. And likely the reason the Republican's haven't let her near the press for 4 weeks.
 
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