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When Mexicans move to the United States we're told by economist that "they make everyone here richer"

But when Mexicans are deported back to Mexico economists say

"More returnees means lower wages for everybody in blue-collar industries such as construction and automobile manufacturing, where competition for jobs is likely to increase, economists say."
 
Boy, there are just not enough thumbs up for that find. What a laugh. Thanks, Washington Post.
 
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Boy, there are just not enough thumbs up for that find. What a laugh. Thanks, Washington Post.
Did you read the entire article or just metalman's quote?

The quote should be read carefully. The statement specifically names construction and automobile manufacturing. That is all. The author does not make a blanket statement regarding how immigration from the US will affect salaries in general. The truth is, immigration can make a country richer and it can make it a poorer. It depends.

It is also worth pointing out that the amount of illegal immigrants being returned from the US every year is in the thousands. For comparison, Mexico has a population of 120+ million. The term "a drop in the ocean" comes to mind.
 
Did you read the entire article or just metalman's quote?

I did, indeed, read the entire article. I have to question if you did. Most of it is such a parody, that I had to double check to make sure I didn't somehow end up on the Onion.

The quote should be read carefully. The statement specifically names construction and automobile manufacturing. That is all. The author does not make a blanket statement regarding how immigration from the US will affect salaries in general. The truth is, immigration can make a country richer and it can make it a poorer. It depends.

So you agree with their opinion that the same immigrants that help manufacturing in the US, hurt Mexico when they go back...?

It is also worth pointing out that the amount of illegal immigrants being returned from the US every year is in the thousands. For comparison, Mexico has a population of 120+ million. The term "a drop in the ocean" comes to mind.

Yeah, exactly. So that drop in the ocean is going to hurt Mexico, but the steady flow that comes here helps...?

I do know it is more nuanced than that. And certainly there are immigrants that do grow the US economy. And, being the US, we do have a tradition and history of immigration far different from Mexico's that needs to be considered... But you gotta admire the sheer level of ridiculousness in stating that the US is fine by gaining an estimated 200,000-300,000 Mexicans a year, but a one time send back of small fraction of that will devistate Mexico's economy.
 
I did, indeed, read the entire article. I have to question if you did. Most of it is such a parody, that I had to double check to make sure I didn't somehow end up on the Onion.
I did read everything and did not notice anything truly controversial being mentioned.

So you agree with their opinion that the same immigrants that help manufacturing in the US, hurt Mexico when they go back...?
The article does not reference the effects of immigration on the US.

I do know it is more nuanced than that. And certainly there are immigrants that do grow the US economy. And, being the US, we do have a tradition and history of immigration far different from Mexico's that needs to be considered... But you gotta admire the sheer level of ridiculousness in stating that the US is fine by gaining an estimated 200,000-300,000 Mexicans a year, but a one time send back of small fraction of that will devistate Mexico's economy.
But the article does not state that at all.

You are totally projecting.

Once again, the article does not discuss whether immigration is good or bad for the United States. Furthermore, the article does not state that deportations from the US will devastate the Mexican economy. It does mention that some economists expect salaries to fall in certain blue-collar professions but it also says: "At the same time, though, there will be more English-speaking Mexicans entering the workforce who’ve honed their skills in the United States, a development that in the long run could position Mexico to be a stronger player in the global economy, analysts say."

Also: "'We suffered a cost as a nation by sending those hard workers to the U.S., in the sense that we lost a lot of talent,' de la Calle said. 'When they come back to Mexico and they are properly trained, they will make more than a proportional contribution to Mexico.'"

Does this sound like the Mexican economy is going to implode due to deportations from the US to Mexico? No, it does not. The article references potential short- and long-term effects. Some good, some bad. It seems pretty even-handed to me.

Also, I do not know the latest numbers but between 2009 and 2014, the net immigration between the US and Mexico was negative, i.e. more people went back to Mexico than moved to the US.

I do get that you disagree that immigration from Mexico is beneficial for the US and that you are sick and tired of reading articles that express this view. I have no issue with that. What I do not understand is why this particular article is "offensive" in any way or why you would possibly expect every article in the same publication to express the exact same "consistent" points of views even when they are written by entirely different authors.
 
I actually do agree that the article is somewhat even-handed. But that is part of what makes it so hilarious to see. Find me an even handed article abut the US side of immigration on the Washington Post. Find me even just one, and I'll eat my hat.
 
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I probably should have specified within the past decade, though.

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 31, 2006

People were still trying back then.
 
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Washington Compost changes title of article



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Immigrants are going hungry so Trump won’t deport them

"In the two months since President Trump’s inauguration, food banks and hunger advocates around the country have noted a decline in the number of eligible immigrants applying for SNAP — and an uptick in immigrants seeking to withdraw from the program"

"The evidence is still anecdotal — and The Washington Post was unable to speak directly with immigrants who chose to cancel their SNAP benefits."

 
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