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you know... i hate to say it but this is really a not much to see here, type thing. and if the whole truth were really told two things would happen a whole bunch of republicans would be outed publicly as a bunch of gun dealing morons, and holder would be walking away from this super duper perjury charge by saying he misspoke when he said "few weeks", what he meant to say was "few months"... ;)... think the ATF agents are democrats? how bout the gun dealers in texas and arizona who participated in this bs even tho they knew it would end badly? yeah, obama supporters all... sad part is obamas DOJ is still doing damage control for bush the sloppy second.
 
i was trying to remember what else was going on at the time... and then i did...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-...y-investigation/story?id=9606388#.T-J-wLWXTes

The Justice Department and the FBI announced the arrest and indictment of 22 executives and employees from 16 companies that supply equipment to law enforcement and the military. The government charged them with attempting to bribe officials of an African country.​
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There was no African country. The whole thing was a sting operation.​
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The arrests were the result of a 30-month undercover investigation by prosecutors and FBI agents which resulted in 21 individuals being arrested in Las Vegas and one more in Miami.​
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The defendants allegedly agreed to pay a 20 percent commission to a sales agent they believed represented the defense minister for an African country. They were trying to win a multimillion-dollar deal to outfit the presidential guard.​
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The sales agent was actually an undercover FBI agent, and no defense minister was involved at all. Several of the indictments in the probe disclosed that at least one other FBI agent was operating undercover, posing as a procurement officer for the ministry of defense of the African nation.​
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Among those arrested were Amaro Goncalves, the vice president of sales for the Smith & Wesson Holding Company, officials said.​
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Also charged is R. Patrick Caldwell, recently named CEO of Protective Products of America, Inc. He had previously worked for the U.S. Secret Service, where he was special agent in charge of protection of the vice president of the United States.​
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Stephen Giordanella, the former CEO of Protective Products of America, was also charged. Giordanella was the one suspect arrested in Miami.​
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'What Happens in Vegas....'​

The individuals in Las Vegas were arrested while they were attending the annual Shot Show convention in Las Vegas and all were arrested at a Vegas location when they believed they would be meeting the defense minister to finalize their deals according to DOJ officials familiar with the case.​
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"This is one case where what happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas," said Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division.​
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Representatives for Smith & Wesson and Protective Products of America, Inc. could not be reached by ABC News.​
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FBI Sting Operation Nails Gun Company Executives​

According to Goncalves' indictment, "On or about May 21, 2009, at the Ritz-Carlton meeting in Washington, D.C., Goncalves agreed to proceed with the Country A deal, after being told that in order to win the Country A business, [Smith & Wesson] would need to add a 20 percent 'commission' to the invoices."​
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The cases involved two phases. In the first, the suspects allegedly sent test samples of weapons along with payments to the sales agent and minister to show that the minister would receive his cut of the bribes. Then, in the second phase, the final large payments would be made.​
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The cases involved two phases where the defendants would send test samples and payments to the sales agent and minister to show that the minister would receive his cut of the bribes. The Goncalves indictments allege that "Goncalves further agreed to proceed with the Phase One deal knowing that the purpose of the Phase One deal was to show Country A's Minister of Defense that the Minister of Defense would personally receive a 10 percent 'commission' on the deal."​
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The 22 individuals were charged in 16 indictments in an investigation run by the Justice Department, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington, D.C., and the FBI's Washington field office. Employees from a British and Israeli military supply company were also arrested in the sting.​
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Breuer said in a statement, "The fight to erase foreign bribery from the corporate playbook will not be won overnight, but these actions are a turning point."​
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doesn't really matter... just like alberto gonzales... an attorney told them they could... giving them legal authority to say they thought they had legal authority to do so... think bush bought the land over the last untapped aquifer in Paraguay because he wanted a tax write off? or a place to hide that has no extradition treaty with the US?
 
Dammy said:
So what did President Obama know and when did he know it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/20/holders-contempt-and-obamas-privilege/

Looks like the Obama rabbit hole goes a bit deeper then we expected. This is starting to look like a new Watergate disaster.
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It remains unknown whether Republicans will actually be happy if they get more documents. The doctrine of executive privilege is the one that Dick Cheney was so much in love with that he had the president extend it to him. Very humorous to see the Republicans complaining about it now. Will they have learned their lesson when they get back in power and dismantle this terrible theory? As soon as the power is back in their hands I'm sure they will exercise the power fully (and probably expand it some more). The progressives did warn the Bushies that the powers they make would be used by the Dems if they got in, but who listens to progressives?

Still, if this was rogue and secret and started under Bush then nobody really wants the truth to come out - because if it all came out then everyone would look bad. I guess the battle at the moment is about who can bring what forwards to make the other side look bad without making themselves look bad. Sounds like a fun game.

I don't expect anyone to really look to hard for answers when all they really want to do is slag each other off politically leading in to an election. Watch nothing much come forward before November and then see the whole thing get dropped after the votes are counted.
 
Dammy said:
So what did President Obama know and when did he know it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/20/holders-contempt-and-obamas-privilege/

Looks like the Obama rabbit hole goes a bit deeper then we expected. This is starting to look like a new Watergate disaster.
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issa has rabbit holey type issue too it seems... nice!!

The Merida Initiative is the, and was the, basis for the 2008 HR-6028 Bill whichspecifically funded "Project Gunrunner."​
Darrell Issa pretends he has never heard of Project Gunrunner, yet in 2008 he specifically voted to fund Project Gunrunner.​
Apparently, there is more than just a huge connection between Merida Initiative andProject Gunrunner whereby Project Gunrunner funding, per HR-6028, is directly enveloped into the Merida Initiative.​
In October 2007, President Bush and President announced the Mérida Initiative, is a Billions of dollar aid package to support Mexico's President Calderón's war on drugs by, among other things, sending military grade weapons and helicopters to Mexico. Project Gunrunner was Legislated into the Merida Initiative through HR-6028 in 2008. After ample Congressional debate on conditionality and appropriations, the US Congress approved the initiative in HR-6028 without any strings attached. ​
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to the best of my knowledge and ive found nothing yet to contradict this, "wide receiver" was the first bush version, yielded no indictments and no retrieval of firearms...
 
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