Just when you think the police in your area is bad...

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You should look at this.

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Looks bad, but the question is what was the situation? Where they creating a human chain and refusing to leave? That isn't given by these photographs and I will point out, the cop is only spraying on the back of the neck. If you have ever been sprayed in the eyes (OC is a MFer!), you know getting it on the back of the neck is nothing in comparison. In some departments, use of OC is above voice command being ignored as the dept believes it doesn't do permanent injury like having to put the officer and the subject in a physical contact where life time injuries may happen. So the use of OC (or stun guns) to control a subject is taught before getting physical (hands, use of impact weapons).

Now on that page, it shows why the use of OC, stun devices are preferred to be used before impact weapons. I will also point out that in the US, intending to strike head/neck or groin is consider use of lethal force by the officer, but if the subject moves and is accidently hit in those zones, such is life. I'm kinda chuckling at the one video of some stupid bitch resisting arrest getting Taser treatment which is what is called for (vs using OC or last resort, impact weapons to subdue her).

This is why I'm saying the ONOWS crowd hasn't gotten a real NYPD treatment yet. Time is ticking down, it will happen and the pussies will go screaming home after they get their first real world taste of what not to do as a mob.
 
The more I look at those photos, the less I think it's OC. If it was OC, that officer in the second photo would be getting secondary effects from it. It's probably CS which is a significant step below OC.
 
Dammy said:
As I said, some dept policy manual calls for use of OC after verbal commands are ignored. When a cop orders you to do something, just do it and worry about who is right or wrong later.
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Only to a point. If a police officer orders a woman to take all her clothes off, she should not do it. If a police officer demands something that outright violates your rights, you should not blindly comply.

There is also a serious problem with officers who do not use common sense and are only too eager to pepper spray little old ladies or taser 5 year old kids.
 
redrumloa said:
Only to a point. If a police officer orders a woman to take all her clothes off, she should not do it. If a police officer demands something that outright violates your rights, you should not blindly comply.

There is also a serious problem with officers who do not use common sense and are only too eager to pepper spray little old ladies or taser 5 year old kids.
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Policy Manual or common sense, one will get you fired and the other might not get you fired. When your retirement is on the line, which one is likely to be followed? Just do what the LEO commands you to do, let the lawyers fight it out on who was right. If it's not worth the time and effort to get a lawyer to fight it out in court, it's not worth the hassle of disobeying the LEO's command. I will point out that in Flordia, disobeying a lawful command from a LEO is a criminal act.
 
Dammy said:
Policy Manual or common sense, one will get you fired and the other might not get you fired. When your retirement is on the line, which one is likely to be followed? Just do what the LEO commands you to do, let the lawyers fight it out on who was right. If it's not worth the time and effort to get a lawyer to fight it out in court, it's not worth the hassle of disobeying the LEO's command. I will point out that in Flordia, disobeying a lawful command from a LEO is a criminal act.
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Police or former police officers who defend the actions of rogue cops are no better than union thugs who use intimidation tactics to get their way. Sorry, but true. Don't try to suggest I am anti-cop, you would be way off base.

No police department would fire a cop for not pepper spraying a 5 year old kid or using a taser on a 90 year old woman with dementia. I can't believe you want to suggest a 14 year old give should perform sex acts on a uniformed officer and ask questions later, because he orders her to. It is unlawful act for a police officer to command someone to do something against their civil or legal rights, just to sooth their ego.
 
I've seen some cop action here in NL (during a crowded night life), and they were doing their job perfectly and very professionally. I always felt very comfortable if there were cops around. That pepper sprayer cop, he should be three times punished: punishment for causing injury and pain, abuse of power, and undermining the enforcement of law.
People often think of medieval China to be very cruel. Well, it could be indeed so. BUT if judges were going to use torture methods, they needed to be 100% sure the victim was guilty, otherwise, if proven otherwise, the judge would be sentenced to be tortured in the very same way. Now how many of these tasers/pepper sprayers/waterboarders have this kind of restriction to protect innocent civilians?
 
redrumloa said:
Police or former police officers who defend the actions of rogue cops are no better than union thugs who use intimidation tactics to get their way. Sorry, but true. Don't try to suggest I am anti-cop, you would be way off base.
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I wouldn't say that Red. I would say neither you nor I was at the scene an knew exactly what circumstances were either.

No police department would fire a cop for not pepper spraying a 5 year old kid or using a taser on a 90 year old woman with dementia. I can't believe you want to suggest a 14 year old give should perform sex acts on a uniformed officer and ask questions later, because he orders her to. It is unlawful act for a police officer to command someone to do something against their civil or legal rights, just to sooth their ego.
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Depends on how their PM is written. To be honest, most PMs cover the Dept's ass at all times leaving the officers hanging in catch-22s. Having said that, if the officer had to physically stop the above, what happens if there is a significant injury? Was the 5 year (Did the 5 year old look like a 5 year old) in out of control with something in his hands, would it have taken force to stop the 5 year old? Was the elderly woman 90 pounds or over 200 pounds? If the officer had to physically restrain the 90 year old woman , could she have received life altering injuries by resisting the LEO? Did the woman place herself into a position where the LEO had to handle it himself and not wait for backup? Like she was fighting (biting, scratching, kicking) the LEO at the time? You go hand to hand with some nut job, I can see using minimal amount of physical force to control the subject, and that would be stun or OC. Either of those two beats having to go hand to hand or use of impact weapons.

It's one thing to see the evidence first hand, including the offense incident report(s), and it's another reading a journalist's report which usually means it's wrong, just a matter on how wrong.
 
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