Let's Have a War

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We could use the money. Let's have a war. And blame the middle class..

Nation Mag coverage of the Republicans purposal to shift war powers to the President.

Let's have a war. The enemy's within - FEAR
 
faethor said:
We could use the money. Let's have a war. And blame the middle class..

Nation Mag coverage of the Republicans purposal to shift war powers to the President.

Let's have a war. The enemy's within - FEAR

Was that written by the committee to reelect Barack Obama? Well it reference Code Pink (no explanation needed) and thehill.com (Wikipedia lists as a tabloid).
 
redrumloa said:
Was that written by the committee to reelect Barack Obama? Well it reference Code Pink (no explanation needed) and thehill.com (Wikipedia lists as a tabloid).
You mean politicans are political? Who'd have thunked?

And of course that doesn't change that Republicans supported such legislation that would cause a shift in power. I'd like to think major but hey we already know that various presidents took 'police actions' without the approval of Congress.
 
faethor said:
Republicans supported such legislation that would cause a shift in power. I'd like to think major but hey we already know that various presidents took 'police actions' without the approval of Congress.

"Let's have a war. The enemy's within - FEAR"
guess that's the reason for Obama going to Libya

President Obama failed to seek a declaration of war before ordering US attacks on Libya
from your favorite source, the Nation
A War Powers Challenge to Obama's Libyan police action

what candidate Barack Obama said about war powers of president during the campaign

Republicans are sponsoring legislation that Presidents do possess war-making powers, even if the president is a Democrat.
 
biggest warmonger = dickless cheney
 
metalman said:
faethor said:
I'd like to think major but hey we already know that various presidents took 'police actions' without the approval of Congress.
President Obama failed to seek a declaration of war before ordering US attacks on Libya

Republicans are sponsoring legislation that Presidents do possess war-making powers, even if the president is a Democrat.
Metalman thanks for the backing of the 'police actions' there are certainly lots of others in there too. Grenada, Haiti, Phillipines, Panama, Boliva, Hondorus, Chile,... the list goes on and on. Take a look at the invasions and CIA actions in Latin America and the Middle East over the last 150 or so years.
 
redrumloa said:
Was that written by the committee to reelect Barack Obama? Well it reference Code Pink (no explanation needed) and thehill.com (Wikipedia lists as a tabloid).

Not sure what you are referencing here. Has the link changed? Perhaps.

But as the article currently stands, yes it is critical of the Republican proposal but I'm not sure it lets Obama off the hook. He did start the war on Libya.

However, let's go to that Madison quote:

Madison observed in the founding years of the American experiment that: "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

And indeed it has been ever so. This is the same point that George Orwell was making in his 1984, and it is supported by the history of the last century with the 1st and 2nd world wars, and it is evident in ancient history too. Clearly wars benefit the ruling classes and only hurt the poor. The figurehead on the losing side will generally have to pay but the upper classes usually find it easy enough to switch loyalties after the fact.
 
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