Let's look at the European Union

[FluffyMcDeath]

The US gets a lot (deservingly) of the worlds attention and that applies to the people here at whyzzat too. However, Europe is an interesting place too and there is a war going on inside Europe as there is a war between Europe and the US (which has a "special" relationship with the UK).

This video is about 7 years old now and not necessarily straight up. It obviously has it's own point of view and likely represents the ruling classes of the UK who are being undercut but, who none the less have better political perspective than the common man because they pay very much more attention since the system of ruloe is the source of their power and therefore wealth.

The video is about 45 minutes long, but of course, you can watch it in chunks. Some of what was said about the Euro is "prophetic" somewhat, except that it was in fact fairly obvious.

 

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[JoBBo]

I watched almost 20 minutes of this "documentary" ... I really had to stop when they showed a lady claiming that the trade per capita in the UK would be "far higher" than in any other country which - excuse my language - is complete and utter horseshit and can be easily disproven by anybody with access to an online search engine.

I will assume that the rest of the video is as inaccurate...

 

[Dammy]

I watched almost 20 minutes of this "documentary" ... I really had to stop when they showed a lady claiming that the trade per capita in the UK would be "far higher" than in any other country which - excuse my language - is complete and utter horseshit and can be easily disproven by anybody with access to an online search engine.

Best I can come up with was just short of $600B in 1998 so that is trade per capita of $10,000 @ UK citizen. What EU country is higher then that?

I will assume that the rest of the video is as inaccurate...

I feel the same way when Obama speaks, too inaccurate to bother with.

 

[JoBBo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_trade#Largest_countries_by_total_international_trade

30,000 USD per capita in Germany vs. less than 16,000 USD in the United Kingdom.

Mind you, this is the same Germany that the video predicts would suffer from severe unemployment and economic fallback because of its adoption of the Euro...

(Just to further show how inaccurate the claim made in the video is, the Netherlands have a trade per capita of almost 60,000 USD. Almost 70% of the Dutch GPD is created by merchandise trade and it has been like this for a long time. The United Kingdom does not even come close. Obviously, the Netherlands too have adopted the Euro.)

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I watched almost 20 minutes of this "documentary" ... I really had to stop when they showed a lady claiming that the trade per capita in the UK would be "far higher" than in any other country which - excuse my language - is complete and utter horseshit and can be easily disproven by anybody with access to an online search engine.

I will assume that the rest of the video is as inaccurate...

I did say that it has it's own agenda but it is nonetheless interesting. I also said that it is 7 years old so you have to judge it on those terms.

 

[Dammy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_trade#Largest_countries_by_total_international_trade

30,000 USD per capita in Germany vs. less than 16,000 USD in the United Kingdom.

ROFL. That's amusing, even if it's not using that era (early 2000 or maybe late 1990s) data as I doubt it would have changed that much in percentages.

Mind you, this is the same Germany that the video predicts would suffer from severe unemployment and economic fallback because of its adoption of the Euro...

I haven't watched the entire video yet, but today, looking at what is happening with the EURO, there is a chance of just that happening. It's a question on when, not if, the EURO (and the USD) will crash and burn.

(Just to further show how inaccurate the claim made in the video is, the Netherlands have a trade per capita of almost 60,000 USD. Almost 70% of the Dutch GPD is created by merchandise trade and it has been like this for a long time. The United Kingdom does not even come close. Obviously, the Netherlands too have adopted the Euro.)

I hope they continue to have a bright future, but I doubt it.

 

[JoBBo]

ROFL. That's amusing, even if it's not using that era (early 2000 or maybe late 1990s) data as I doubt it would have changed that much in percentages.

Actually, it changed a lot but not quite enough. Feel free to look at the numbers for 1998 or 2001 yourself: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/

Of course, you do not even have to look at the numbers to know that the statement made in the video is wrong. Per capita economic indicators are pretty much always highest for small countries. (Example: Thanks to a population of 300 million, the US are still the largest economy in the world (measured in GDP). But in terms of GDP per capita, the US do not even come anywhere close to Luxembourg... Neither do Germany, Japan, France, etc.)

[I haven't watched the entire video yet, but today, looking at what is happening with the EURO, there is a chance of just that happening. It's a question on when, not if, the EURO (and the USD) will crash and burn.

Depends on your definition of "crash and burn". I consider these words overly melodramatic for what might turn into 10 years of economic stagnation for what will remain the richest countries in the world.

 

[Dammy]

Actually, it changed a lot but not quite enough. Feel free to look at the numbers for 1998 or 2001 yourself: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/

I see a massive spike in 1981, so it might have been a old number quoted as being relative accurate some 20 years later which it isn't in the early 2000s. Old numbers being referred to by one individual does not invalidate the rest of the video, IMO. Now if nearly half of what was said in the video was invalid as well, then I would agree that the entire video is invalid and move on.

Of course, you do not even have to look at the numbers to know that the statement made in the video is wrong. Per capita economic indicators are pretty much always highest for small countries. (Example: Thanks to a population of 300 million, the US are still the largest economy in the world (measured in GDP). But in terms of GDP per capita, the US do not even come anywhere close to Luxembourg... Neither do Germany, Japan, France, etc.)

Which isn't completely true as some countries under valued their currency and makes them to appear weaker then they truly are. If China ever brought Yuan to it's real value, China's GDP would likely equal or eclipse the US' GDP.

Depends on your definition of "crash and burn". I consider these words overly melodramatic for what might turn into 10 years of economic stagnation for what will remain the richest countries in the world.

It's fiat money, it's all make believe. As PIIGS collapse, so too will the EURO which will cause the USD to collapse. France and Germany have put their collective necks on the chopping block to save PIIGS, they too will share the same fate as the Global Elites have planned for so long. What you are about to witness is the greatest wealth transfer in human history.

 

[the_leander]

Given that it's Fiat money, one could argue that we've already seen the greatest wealth transfer in history already, it's just that now we have to pay the piper.

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

I'd say this vid is typical nationalistic drivel. Perhaps the British haven't been humbled down enough by two world wars (at least, the British who made this movie).
For the rest, there are very undesirable things going on in the EU.
The fact that the voting for a European constitution here in NL wasn't legally binding made me rather upset, because it implied that my vote was worthless and it was a first step to a fake democracy.
I did not want to participate in such a process, but my father convinced me that a low voting percentage would encourage them to go on further on the anti-democratic road,
but voting the opposite of what they wanted you to vote would be more of a kick in the nut. And so it became a NO, as the majority of the Dutch have voted

 

[Dammy]

Given that it's Fiat money, one could argue that we've already seen the greatest wealth transfer in history already, it's just that now we have to pay the piper.

No no no, we have seen small chump change transfers, the big ones have yet to happen. Banks will be all gone, the Global Elites will buy them and their assets, mostly bad, at fractions of a penny on the "dollar." Elites will end up owning all US private (and else where) debt which they financed by screwing the financial markets into oblivion in the first place. So basically they have stolen all the money, issued via proxy IOUs, wait for the entire global system to collapse, then wait for governments begging them to be their white night by selling them the banks for basically nothing as the Global Elites start a new global currency which they created and control. Which means governments of bankrupted and economically destroyed economies have to play ball with the New World Order or suffer economically or be invaded.

 

[Dammy]

I'd say this vid is typical nationalistic drivel. Perhaps the British haven't been humbled down enough by two world wars (at least, the British who made this movie).
For the rest, there are very undesirable things going on in the EU.
The fact that the voting for a European constitution here in NL wasn't legally binding made me rather upset, because it implied that my vote was worthless and it was a first step to a fake democracy.
I did not want to participate in such a process, but my father convinced me that a low voting percentage would encourage them to go on further on the anti-democratic road,
but voting the opposite of what they wanted you to vote would be more of a kick in the nut. And so it became a NO, as the majority of the Dutch have voted

Europe is one of two hot fronts that the Global Elites are waging on, the other is the middle east via Muslim Brotherhood's Spring Arab uprising that will spread across the middle east. US is on the back burner stewing in it's own debt and sloth while they wait to push the first two dominos over. How close was Red House Report ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ort-shows-Nazis-planned-Fourth-Reich--EU.html ) to the current EU plans is up to debate, but economically, it does look it's spot on. Even more so over the past three weeks as things are being planned for consolidation: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/coming-european-super-government.html So it boils down to what the difference is between government control and what is just control by finances?

 

[JoBBo]

I see a massive spike in 1981, so it might have been a old number quoted as being relative accurate some 20 years later which it isn't in the early 2000s.

There is no need for speculation. You have the link. It was not true in 1981 either. Just compare the Netherlands and the United Kingdom in 1981, for example. Yet again, the UK numbers are not even close.

The statement in the video is just mind-numbingly wrong.

 

[the_leander]

No no no, we have seen small chump change transfers, the big ones have yet to happen. Banks will be all gone, the Global Elites will buy them and their assets, mostly bad, at fractions of a penny on the "dollar." Elites will end up owning all US private (and else where) debt which they financed by screwing the financial markets into oblivion in the first place. So basically they have stolen all the money, issued via proxy IOUs, wait for the entire global system to collapse, then wait for governments begging them to be their white night by selling them the banks for basically nothing as the Global Elites start a new global currency which they created and control. Which means governments of bankrupted and economically destroyed economies have to play ball with the New World Order or suffer economically or be invaded.

And it's at this point I stopped taking you seriously on any level. I should really have guessed when you started using "Global Elites" in place of the traditional tinfoiler favourite, the Illuminati, but I'll put that down to exhaustion.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I'd say this vid is typical nationalistic drivel. Perhaps the British haven't been humbled down enough by two world wars (at least, the British who made this movie).

And that's one of the things that makes it interesting to me. It's obviously a ruling class perspective and they are the ones being cut out of ruling. Most of the little guys really don't have much left to lose. It makes little difference to the average person who is ignoring their votes and then screwing them. But for the ruling classes, who gets to rule IS the issue.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

the Global Elites will buy them and their assets, mostly bad, at fractions of a penny on the "dollar." Elites will end up owning all US private (and else where) debt which they financed by screwing the financial markets into oblivion in the first place.

Bzzzzt. WRONG. The elites ALREADY own the banks. They don't have to buy them and they don't have to care about the bad debts, just the ones they can still collect from. The bad debts are all imaginary anyway - it's just numbers on paper and the only thing they are good for is screwing the debtor out of as much as you can get. The elites own the banks and together they own BIS and BIS makes the rules and rules can be changed - but right now using the debt to put pressure on the worlds governments to break up unions and any other organization by which people can get together to challenge the elites is useful. The debts are also used to transfer public property over to the elites - public schools into the hands of the elites, public hospitals into the hands of elites, public roads into the hands of the elites, public water, public forests, public land, public prisons, public anything.

A complete transfer of assets all from the use of numbers written on paper or entered into computers.[/quote]

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

I should really have guessed when you started using "Global Elites" in place of the traditional tinfoiler favourite,

Elites are the ones on the top of the pile. Global elites are the ones on the top of the pile on a global basis. It's not tin foil. In a globe some people get to be the elites. Just is so.
Now, they aren't exactly working together but they are, for the most part, working against the rest of us.

 

[the_leander]

Elites are the ones on the top of the pile. Global elites are the ones on the top of the pile on a global basis.

That's not how it's being used and you know it. No one in the history of the internet has ever used the phrase "New World Order" alongside "Global Elites" (note the caps) in a non ironic sense that wasn't a tinfoiler using it as a shoe in for term Illuminati.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

That's not how it's being used and you know it. No one in the history of the internet has ever used the phrase "New World Order" alongside "Global Elites" (note the caps) in a non ironic sense that wasn't a tinfoiler using it as a shoe in for term Illuminati.

The Illuminati are the Illuminati. The Masons are the Masons. Skull and Bones are Skull and Bones.The Bilderberg meetings used to be conspiracy theory. Groups form for various reasons. Some deliberately enforce secrecy, some merely don't advertise their existence. Some are benign, some are not. There are people who join secret societies and there are others who dismantle them because of the threat they pose to established power. Society is riddled with these things - mostly invisible until you come in contact ... and notice.
Do you not belong to some kind of organization that is attempting to accomplish something? People that are trying to get things done often do. The livestock usually doesn't though - and that's for the best, don't you think? Wouldn't want them getting in the way.