Microsoft unveils Windows 8 in challenge to Apple, Google

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Microsoft unveiled Windows 8 for public testing on Wednesday in the hope that it will help the brand win back some of the ground it has been losing to Apple and Google.

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I tried Windows 8 developer release. It's absolutely horrid. Cannot believe they'd release such crap, except that they're now desperate to stay afloat against Apple and -- to a lesser extent -- Google.

"Let's take all the great ideas Apple had and try to adopt Windows Phone 8 to the desktop...."

FAIL!!!!
 
Haven't tried it. What's the main beef - clunky?
 
Tried an earlier developer release. Everything Windows 7 is there for those that want it. The new interface for Win8 is similar to the current Xbox 360 and Windows Phone 7 interfaces. IMO not all bad. I hope that people will start increasing use of more natural interfaces than a keyboard. (Though when coding I can't think of anything more useful than a keyboard. And of course for adminstration. For example, I still do IIS configs in Windows 2008 w/ the command line instead of GUI.)
 
Installed it on a mates PC today as the shop he got it from put a 32 bit version on and insisted that that was OK. It was a quick and dirty way of giving him a 64 bit upgrade. Dunno about the dev releases but this consumer release was significantly faster than the fresh install of 7 that was on it, as well as less naggy. He's happy with it as several of his games that struggled under 32bit now absolutely fly. No show stoppers either. I didn't think I'd like metro, but its not bad, its ideal for my mate who just wants to load up and play his games whilst having a full desktop ready to go if he wants something more complex.

And that last part Google and Apple should take note of: For a lot of people, the simplified metro interface may well be all they need day to day.

It's been a long time since I've said this about a Microsoft product, but yeah, I'm actually quite impressed. Last time I said that was about the ill fated Singularity project.

YMMV, of course.
 
I took a quick peek at one of the more recent Nokia phones running Metro. I have to admit it was pretty slick and quite different from iOS/Android. Didn't use it long enough to really get a proper feel, but I could see it catching on.

I still think MS needs to get rid of any mention of "Windows", especially as there are no windows to be seen. However, if people can get over the "Windows" connection and give it a fair chance, we could easily see a three way race in the mobile market. I'll probably remain in the Android camp for now, but if Google drops the ball it's good to know there's an alternative (and no, I hate Apple too much to ever consider an iPhone).

Anyway, as for Windows8, not sure when I'll get around to trying it. I'm kinda busy and don't need yet another distraction. Can I install it on a VM? That would make it a lot easier.
 
I really shouldn't be commenting right now, as I haven't yet used a Metro phone, or Windows 8 preview for any length of time... My only extended experience with actually USING Metro has been my X360. But, I guess that won't stop me from blathering on, anyhow. :P

I just don't understand what Metro brings to the table. It doesn't seem to simplify or improve anything. It just feels like a haphazard mix of icons and widgets that are thrown together with no discernible order or reason. I don't see an overall logic, clarity, or vision. I am constantly greeted, instead, with a random hodge-podge of information overload. This seems especially true on the X360, where there's live ads for random promotions running next to the icon for starting the current game disk. (While things you might want to know like system settings, controller settings, or last save information for said game disk are found in a different set of widgets that is located as far away as possible from the home area.) The Windows 8 shots look like more of the same, as (not exactly surprisingly) the Microsoft Store appears prominently top-left, right below the word Start. (Anyone want to take any bets how long before that becomes a live-ad widget?) And the design just seems to continue to go downhill, from there. At least it looks like you'll be able to move stuff around more to your liking on the PC version. You're completely stuck with default layout on X360.

I agree with the thought that the conventional desktop is stale, and we should be thinking forward. I really want to see some improvement, here. But all I really find, so far, is confusion. I just don't "get" Metro, yet.
 
Well, here is the deal. One day you will hit 50, and realize that you just went blind overnight as far as any handheld or small screen goes. Then all the fun of them goes out the window. Went out on the lake the other day. Took my phone, took my GPS, forgot my reading glasses. Couldn't read the caller ID, or call list, couldn't find my marked spots on the GPS, and couldn't read the fish finder. Now I've got to buy another pair of reading glasses just to leave in the boat, on top of the ones I've got stashed in the truck, the car, the computer room, and the safety glasses in the shop. Don't laugh, it's going to happen to you too.:wrong:
 
@iwrath,
Good feed back on the Xbox interface. Having a 360 and a winpho7 there are differences. The most noteable is winpho7 and win8 allow you to select the layout of what is important to you. I wish the 360 did that. And I haven't found out how to easily uninstall apps on the 360. On the phone one holds longer on the icon and selects remove. The 360 is a bit too dumbed down. Though my 3 year old can easily go what she wants. She bings Angelina Ballerina. Then hovers her hand over the icon and plays the movie. It is a very natural interface. Which might be hard for us old timers who love us some CLI.
 
Though my 3 year old can easily go what she wants. She bings Angelina Ballerina. Then hovers her hand over the icon and plays the movie. It is a very natural interface. Which might be hard for us old timers who love us some CLI.

Ah. Right. I'm seeing our difference here. I don't have a Kinect, yet. :D The bing bar is pretty useless without it. I think I like to keep an open mind, and try the modern interfaces. Even back in the day, I was never that attached to the CLI, other than as a tool to make or fix things.

As it is, I ended up having a bit of time I could allocate to testing at work, and I threw the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on a smallish average laptop (i3, 4GB RAM, Intel GMA), to see if I could make more sense of things.

Short answer: I think I understand Metro more. But I don't think I've seen a good implementation of it, yet.

The W8 preview feels like a complete hack-job. It is almost two competing operational management systems that are stuck together because neither one quite accomplishes everything it sets out to do.

I can see that I could actually like the new Metro home. I'm starting to "get" this a bit. It does still feel disorganized, but I think I could sort it out in my brain, and come up with some useful layouts, here. It's in serious need of more live widgets, though. Why isn't my email an actual email window? Show me my most recent message headers, here. Same with the messaging and social networking stuff. And why isn't my Internet Explorer URL shortcut an actual Internet Explorer instance? Show me the webpage, not a big logo. If my Android device easily has enough horsepower to do this, I don't see why W8 can't. Why don't I have a persistent "Back" button to get out of applications in the Metro interface? All I can do is go back to home, and then close them from the finicky sidebar.

And, outside Metro, the old desktop is still there, like a strange relic. Except it feels like it's half missing, as there's no start menu launcher, anymore. It almost feels like an old Unix X session without a Window Manager, now. There's just an empty translucent bar with IE and Windows Explorer pinned to it, for some reason. It makes for a strange breaking point separated from any context. I suppose you could do like all my users do, and just create shortcuts for all your applications on the desktop (or pin them to the bar)... But, it just seems like a really clunky solution.

So, I guess my biggest gripe is rather ironic. Even though this is one of the largest interface overhauls Microsoft has ever done... And I know how much users are resistant to change... I don't think Microsoft overhauled nearly enough to pull this one off successfully.

Also, a different observation... What the heck is up with the Windows Accounts? I seem to have a local account on the machine. Ok, good... I also have a pre-existing Live account, which they asked me my email address for. This also makes sense. I can see where they'll probably allow additional accounts here in the future (gmail, facebook, etc), and hopefully have some way to link them. But, the only thing I can seem to actually use is my local account. Every time I go to any of the XBox Live features, it says I need to log in with my Live account, instead of my local account. Fair enough. The problem is, the place they tell me to go has no such option! Any option to use a Live account seems completely missing. Is this a known omission of the preview? Exactly how much is missing from this "preview"? It feels like a whole ton of meaty content should be there, but just isn't.

Ah... My mistake. I didn't verify that the time/date info on the PC was correct. Silly me, I assumed it would grab it from a common source, if it needed to. The Windows 8 Preview didn't properly activate because the date was so wrong. Also, this was preventing sync. Would have been nice had something mentioned this. Oh well. Hoping for meaningful error messages is just too much usability to ask for. There's a lot more here, now. :) But the rest of my observations still stand.
 
I tried Windows 8 developer release. It's absolutely horrid. Cannot believe they'd release such crap, except that they're now desperate to stay afloat against Apple and -- to a lesser extent -- Google.
I don't think Apple really challenges Windows. MacOS isn't really benefiting from iOS's success. The only platform that challenges Windows right now is Android because it's making that cross over to the "Home PC" market. You probably won't buy a PC with Android on it, but you can already buy a TV with Android on it, which is good enough for surfing, emailing, skyping and gaming - the main things most "normal" people use PCs for.

The only thing that might stop Android right now are the courts. Apple has been relentless with the patent lawsuits which I'm afraid Google was ill prepared for. I'm really quite sickened by Apple at the moment (more so then usual).

Apple wins right to Android development details in patent lawsuit

Worst case scenario is that Google drops Android. Of course, that won't kill it as the Asian companies will pick it up and run with it, and Apple won't be able to do a darn thing about it then, but it will kill off the market in the Western nations. My dream would be for IBM to come in and crush Apple, but there's really no reason why IBM would do that. But they're the only tech company with a patent war chest that could literally take out any rival at will.
 
My dream would be for IBM to come in and crush Apple, but there's really no reason why IBM would do that. But they're the only tech company with a patent war chest that could literally take out any rival at will.

Want to stick it to Apple and all those other companies? Want to stimulate the hi-tech industry at the same time and increase innovation? Work to roll back stupid patents. Lobby and work to get politicians in who can roll back the time patents cover - back to something more reasonable. Get rid of vague overreaching patents. Patent battles are a huge drain on the economy and on innovation. We need more programmers and technologists and less lawyers because lawyers don't actually produce anything. The solution to Apple slapping people around with a big stick is to take the stick away.
 
Absolutely no argument there Fluffy. Of course that's the only real solution. Still, just before they do that, I'd still like to see IBM crush Apple. THEN we abolish software patents the very next day. :D
 
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