Minnesota Global Warming report for Nov 12, 2010.

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Heavy Snow In Minneapolis Causes Metrodome To Collapse

CollapsedMetrodome.jpgMinneapolis is cleaning out from it's worst blizzard since the infamous Halloween Blizzard of 1991, which also caused the Metrodome to collapse. The 17" of snow plus high winds proved to be too much for the aging Teflon roof of the Metrodome where Bret Favre and the Vikings were supposed to play today at noon. The game was postponed till tomorrow night.

It's for reasons like these that I started Minnesotans For Global Warming in the first place. Minnesota winters are taxing enough, we don't need to be taxed for the CO2 we emit just trying to survive. Especially under the guise of CO2 causing winters to warm a bit, it just doesn't make any sense.
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/12/metrodome ... ard-video/

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@Red,

We know that warmer air stores more mositure and therefore the storms like this can be worse and more frequent. I don't know if I'd agree any one particular single event indicates Global Warming. But, thanks for trying to give Global Warming credit.

This year has shown us some interesting events. A snowless march. A Top 10 earliest spring. More tornadoes than any other state, typically that's in the south. The hottest summer ever. A Top 10 latest fall. An unprecedented superstorm of hurricane force winds in Oct. A nearly unheard of snowless deer hunting season. A sudden cold drop after a storm isn't unusual. But, I suspect a cooler Dec won't be enough to completely offset the other 11 months which were on the road to the #1 hottest year on record.

Oh and I think you mean Dec 12th? If memory serves Nov 12 daytime the Twin Cities received rain.
 
faethor said:
@Red,

We know that warmer air stores more mositure and therefore the storms like this can be worse and more frequent.
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I was reading an article recently (perhaps in New Scientist) that talked about how rising equatorial temperatures was raising the air stability which sounds like a positive thing but it means that the ground temperature has to rise higher to create storms (which also sounds positive) but storms are the main way that the equatorial regions cool off. As storm formation temperatures rise so does average ground temperatures and worse so does humidity. Humans can do quite well in hot arid conditions as we can sweat off excess heat provided that we have sufficient water but as humidity rises we can lose heat and we can't remain living.

Some tropical zones are already close to inhospitable to human life and we could be getting a lot of new neighbours with interesting cooking and personal habits and religions buying up the house next door because "where they come from" isn't a place anyone can "go back" to.
 
faethor said:
@Red,
We know that warmer air stores more mositure and therefore the storms like this can be worse and more frequent.
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Global warming to cause massive drought over next 100 years, say climatologists
Friday, October 06, 2006
http://www.naturalnews.com/020649.html

Global warming is predicted to be the cause of a massive drought that will threaten the lives of millions and take over half the land surface on our planet in the next 100 years, according to Britain's leading climatologists.

Extreme drought, which makes modern agriculture virtually impossible, is seen by a new study from the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research as possibly affecting about one-third of the planet in the next century. These predictions may actually be an underestimation, said the climate scientists who released the results of the study.
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Global warming is all powerful, it creates drought by causing more severe wet storms. Global Warming is like Chuck Norris.
 
redrumloa said:
Global warming is all powerful, it creates drought by causing more severe wet storms. Global Warming is like Chuck Norris.
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yeah, I know. Kind of like electricity - it can make things hotter: it can make things colder. It's too versatile to be real. And what about the fact that we have the Sahara desert, a great parched expanse across Africa yet at the same latitude India is routinely deluged by monsoon flooding. Surely this is a computer simulation; how could the world be so complicated?
 
The inconvenient truth that warmers like Faethor ignore.
It's like that error section is invisible to them. Whyzzat?


Climate Reference Network Rating Guide - adopted from NCDC Climate Reference Network Handbook, 2002, specifications for siting (section 2.2.1) of NOAA's new Climate Reference Network.


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The inconvenient truth that warmers like Faethor ignore.
It's like that error section is invisible to them. Whyzzat?
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We don't ignore that at all. In fact it's part and parcel of working to ensure that research has quality data. James Hansen has done some very good write ups on ensuring the accuracy of temperature reading stations and how that's handled.

You provided us the images that these stations are all 'wrong'. So now we see we don't include such 'wrong' images and you cry foul that the 'wrong' data is discarded? Whyzzat? Simply -- because you like two pads of butter for your toast. One for each side.
 
faethor said:
This year has shown us some interesting events. A snowless march. A Top 10 earliest spring. More tornadoes than any other state, typically that's in the south. The hottest summer ever. A Top 10 latest fall. An unprecedented superstorm of hurricane force winds in Oct. A nearly unheard of snowless deer hunting season. A sudden cold drop after a storm isn't unusual. But, I suspect a cooler Dec won't be enough to completely offset the other 11 months which were on the road to the #1 hottest year on record.
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your forgetting that 600 degree F day in Egg Harbor, Wisconsin, July 4th around 9:59AM. Strangely, none of the 250 citizens noticed this heatwave during their holiday festivities. In fact the entire Lake Michigan was unusually warm this year, the Great Lakes temperatures have reportedly risen 10 to 15 degrees.


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You would have thought the Great Lakes would have boiled away by now
 
metalman said:
your forgetting that 600 degree F day in Egg Harbor, Wisconsin, July 4th around 9:59AM. Strangely, none of the 250 citizens noticed this heatwave during their holiday festivities. In fact the entire Lake Michigan was unusually warm this year, the Great Lakes temperatures have reportedly risen 10 to 15 degrees.

You would have thought the Great Lakes would have boiled away by now
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Science is by man. And man is imperfect. Therefore any science has a measure of error about it's results. What you've not proven is that these temps were used outright without correction, or perhpas even outright rejection.

Climate measures are world wide data set. Within that analysis is error checking of data. (Now Denialists decry it's 'fixing' the data.) And rightly so there should be a way to identify and discard readings that are false. If a weather station breaks we should be dumping the data for the period identified with false readings. (Or if the break is minor and consistent use some adjustment factor to obtain a true reading.) NASA collects and handles these. Then there's another event. NOAA uses satellites to measure temps. They are different measurements, so wouldn't have this data, and interesting the change corresponds to land based measures. Then on top of that besides NASA and NOAA there are other agencies around the world doing this sort of the thing.

I'd believe in the end this will be caught in error checking and handled appropriately.
 
Funny, even though I live reasonably close to Faethor (yes, when you live in the Canadian prairies, an 8hr drive is considered "reasonably close") we didn't get any snow lately. And even though it's been pretty cold, we're still tracking slightly above "normal" temps for the year. So what does this mean in terms of Global Warming? I have no {bleep} clue, but the frigid weather does give me extra incentive to continue exploring Android app development on my (girlfriend's) new Samsung Galaxy Captivate. :mrgreen:
 
Faethor's lame response:
"James Hansen has done some very good write ups on ensuring the accuracy of temperature reading stations and how that's handled."
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The question is, did he get his "quality data" by just disregarding the data from the 75% considered poor sites? The answer is no. He couldn't do that because otherwise he wouldn't have enough data to model, so he cherry picked a few to throw out, and kept the rest.

Now, how did he handle the data he kept? Only the warmers know how to duplicate the results. No one else has that formula.

The question you should ask is, when did he do this? Did he do it from his jail cell, or in between his multiple arrests? :roflmao:
 
Fade said:
Now, how did he handle the data he kept? Only the warmers know how to duplicate the results. No one else has that formula.
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Yet Steve McIntyre discovered a 1/1000th of a degree error? Pretty amazing IMO.

(EDIT: NASA has their formula available as open source on their site. CRU does too. Though I'll not include it here such that you might learn how to use a search engine.)

The question you should ask is, when did he do this? Did he do it from his jail cell, or in between his multiple arrests? :roflmao:
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Hahaha he was arrested exercising his first ammendment rights of free speech. You have the right to free speech, unless you're actually dumb enough to try it. -- The Clash.
 
redrumloa said:
Heavy Snow In Minneapolis Causes Metrodome To Collapse
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Though Republicans were governor when the bridge collapsed and the dome collapsed. These are indications of how Republicans cheapen out on infrastructure maintenance to save the wealthy a buck.
 
Northern Europe and Russia may be in for the coldest winter in 1000 years.

Some are saying it has something to do with a weakening of the loop current due to the oil spill though this report states that the Gulf Stream has been weakening for the last two years.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Northern Europe and Russia may be in for the coldest winter in 1000 years.
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I'm not *quite* that old but if this keeps weather up till February it'll be the most severe in my memory.

Some are saying it has something to do with a weakening of the loop current due to the oil spill though this report states that the Gulf Stream has been weakening for the last two years.
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The last two years would chime in with our local experience, which I alluded to in the Glasgow thread.
 
MN weather report until Saturday. Starting 6 degrees and ending up about 15 degrees above the average high. Resulting in rain, which a below average high next week is expected to quickly change into ice.

University of Minnesota meterologist, Mark Seely, recently completed a look at rain trends in winter. There's been a 4 fold increase in rain events during winter over the last decade.
 
redrumloa said:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/12/metrodome ... ard-video/
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Last year we had a fair amount of snow that collapsed the Dome. It took ~7 months to put the top back on. Insurance footed most of the repair bill. Nov was slightly cooler than average. Though the net winter weather was warmer than average, which matched predictions.

Today 12/12/11 the predicted high is 40. I'm sure we'll get there. Driving into work my car said 38 at 9am. It's supposed to be drizzly and overcast the rest of the day. Rain predicted this week. Looks to be a brown Christmas, which is fairly uncommon in Minnesota. Might be hard for the southerners here but without snow it's simply isn't Christmas.

Long range forecast for winter in Minnesota was to be cooler than average. The unseasonably warm temps in Nov took the equivalent of 2 weeks off of the winter season. We'll have to see what Jan-March brings.
 
It's been a while since we saw above 0C temps here, but it's bouncing around -15C to -5C. That typically makes it a messy winter, but with hardly any snowfall so far, it's actually quite pleasant. Can't remember if we ever had a brown Christmas here, but we're so far on track for one. Just two more weeks. Wow, the year sure went by fast!
 
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