Mississippi voters can decide 'personhood' of the unborn, court rules

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Voters in Mississippi will be given a chance to decide whether life begins at conception, a controversial abortion-related ballot initiative that the state's highest court has refused to block.

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Interesting. I wonder what the right-wing supreme court will do with the 'All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside' section of the US Constitution. I'm kinda doubtful the Fathers meant to write 'conceived'. Science, if memory serves, didn't have the understanding of how that worked until much later. But, certainly they could have considered the pre-born and had not. As Europeans landed here they often carried their cultural norms with them. At the time of the Founding, circa 1776, abortion was frowned upon, as it is now, but legal in most states. it was the mid-1800s when States passed their laws making abortion illegal.

But, really isn't this a law that's avoidable? It's fairly individual if you're against abortion then don't have one.
 
I'm sure this is abortion related, but there is a question that here needs answered here. Is a baby a human life before it is born or not? This has implications beyond abortion. If a woman gets assaulted and loses the child because of the assault, the person responsible gets charged with murder. How can it be murder if a woman having an abortion is only having a medical procedure to remove a "lump of flesh"?
 
redrumloa said:
I'm sure this is abortion related, but there is a question that here needs answered here. Is a baby a human life before it is born or not? This has implications beyond abortion. If a woman gets assaulted and loses the child because of the assault, the person responsible gets charged with murder. How can it be murder if a woman having an abortion is only having a medical procedure to remove a "lump of flesh"?
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I see the question as one step back. Whose responsibility is it to decide if the fetus (unborn child) is a human life or not? If the answer is the State (aka anti-abortion dictates) this places the individual as a slave to the State. Thus, I see the answer as in the hands of the parents. The parent can decide if they want the fetus or they want to discard the fetus. Then question then begs when they have to make this decision, unless there's a case of duress such as life of the mother is in jeapordy.

You have a good question here and I'll introduce another one. How does this decision impact fertility treatments. Often 1-2 dozen embryos are created. A few are implanted at a time. Then what happens to those unused embryos? If the human is a life deserving of full constitutional protections when an in embryonic state isn't the indirect implication of fertility doctors as killing dozens of kids per couple in treatment?
 
redrumloa said:
I'm sure this is abortion related, but there is a question that here needs answered here. Is a baby a human life before it is born or not? This has implications beyond abortion. If a woman gets assaulted and loses the child because of the assault, the person responsible gets charged with murder. How can it be murder if a woman having an abortion is only having a medical procedure to remove a "lump of flesh"?
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Faethors post answers part of the question for me. But I think there is more to it then just baby/notababy. There is a question of intent. To take on your two examples (which are imo very valid) the assaulted woman intended to carry to term, whereas the woman who elected to have an abortion did so (statistically) at a very early stage of the pregnancy - in the UK the cut off time is around 22 weeks unless there are major medical complications (dead in the womb, for instance). The medical basis for this cut off time is because beyond 22 weeks the foetus has a fairly decent chance of survival outside of the womb.

Around 60- 75% of all pregnancies result in miscarriage, with most, like abortions happening very early on. If we take your stance on it and then go with the assumption of every foetus is a baby, almost every single woman capable of having children would eventually get locked up for murder at some point if they attempted to try for a child. Clearly this is a nonsense, so we must instead go back to intent.

As an addendum, the number of abortions does not change significantly statistically between it being legal or illegal if you look at the years preceding and post the Roe Vs Wade decision and count the number of deaths attributed to abortion complications.
 
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