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You're saying the xbox has a new web browser?
You pre-ordered a Surface? I kinda suspected you might. Keep us posted. I haven't really kept up with the latest. Is Windows RT just an ARM version of Windows 8, minus the Start Menu?
You pre-ordered a Surface? I kinda suspected you might. Keep us posted. I haven't really kept up with the latest. Is Windows RT just an ARM version of Windows 8, minus the Start Menu?
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Yes the Xbox has its version of IE10. I'd did order a Surface RT which I hope to see early next week. RT is ARM version of Win8. Though it cannot connect to a domain. I expect it'll be more compatible with printers than my iPad. Download an app to print? How dumb.
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Okay this is my first post from IE10 on the SurfaceRT. There are two IE10s one in the new Win8 interface and one on the older Win7ish desktop. This one is from the new Win8. The layout for Whyzzat seems prettier on the Surface versus my iPad. One nice thing is the touch keyboard. I'm so ordering a keyboard iPad cover now! With a tablet screen typing I really don't want to type anything more than a sentence.
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Hmmm... I don't even know if my Win7 machine at home has been updated to IE10. I have no real reason to use IE as I already downloaded Firefox & Chrome. And on my phone/tablet I only use Chrome, although I used Opera for a while as well. Now I want to go home and check.
I find whyzzat.com to really tax my phone (single core 1Ghz hummingbird, pretty dated), it seems to take forever to load it. I think it's because the main screen has a lot of little files that it tries to load. In fact, I notice even my work desktop takes a while to load whyzzat.com. Benchmark sites should use whyzzat.com for browser comparisons! Somehow I doubt whyzzat.com could beat the potato...
I find whyzzat.com to really tax my phone (single core 1Ghz hummingbird, pretty dated), it seems to take forever to load it. I think it's because the main screen has a lot of little files that it tries to load. In fact, I notice even my work desktop takes a while to load whyzzat.com. Benchmark sites should use whyzzat.com for browser comparisons! Somehow I doubt whyzzat.com could beat the potato...
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Is potato available for android?
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A simple mOTP client, eh? But what is it? What does it do? I hate alphabet soup.
That kind of terseness always bugs me. It's like when people would upload stuff to aminet and OS4Depot and post news about it to Amiga.org and say "New version of Florbquan" or "simple port of PoffGrent" and that would be it and I'd have no idea what it was or what it did or why I would want it so I'd leave it alone and never download it or look at it. Must be niche stuff.
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AnandTech review WP8 and HTC 8X.
Here's a shortcut to their Internet Explorer 10 benchmarks.
It does really well in SunSpider, but gets owned on every other benchmark. Even the Galaxy Nexus blows it away most of the time, and that's a year old phone. What should worry WP8 users is that the HTC 8X has pretty much the same hardware as the One X, which is a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon S4 - a very fast chip (or was when it first came out). The new Nexus 4 comes with the Snapdragon S4 Pro, which is a 1.7Ghz quadcore + next gen GPU, and the benchmarks suggest that it's the fastest phone out there (and those are benchmarks based on Android 4.0, not the greatly optimized 4.1/4.2). This tells me that WP8+IE10 are not yet fully optimized and that it needs the best hardware out there just to compete, and you can't yet buy it bundled with the best hardware out there. Seems like a problem to me.
Here's a shortcut to their Internet Explorer 10 benchmarks.
It does really well in SunSpider, but gets owned on every other benchmark. Even the Galaxy Nexus blows it away most of the time, and that's a year old phone. What should worry WP8 users is that the HTC 8X has pretty much the same hardware as the One X, which is a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon S4 - a very fast chip (or was when it first came out). The new Nexus 4 comes with the Snapdragon S4 Pro, which is a 1.7Ghz quadcore + next gen GPU, and the benchmarks suggest that it's the fastest phone out there (and those are benchmarks based on Android 4.0, not the greatly optimized 4.1/4.2). This tells me that WP8+IE10 are not yet fully optimized and that it needs the best hardware out there just to compete, and you can't yet buy it bundled with the best hardware out there. Seems like a problem to me.
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I'm a WP7 user. I find IE on that system to not be not horrid. It may be slow but in daily use I find it's not horrid. Certainly better than IE7.
Here are my Browsermark runs for comparision.
Windows Phone 7 (HTC Trophy): 22,621
Surface RT Tegra 3 chipset w/ IE10: 69,852
Droid Max HD w/ Chrome: 100,914
iPhone 4s iOS6 w/ Safari: 103,578
Win 7 desktop w/ IE 9: 402, 102
Win 7 desktop w/ Chrome: 640,485
SurfaceRT Octane v1: 651
I'd say there are other usability features besides browserspeed to measure a smartphone device by. I like Android over iPhone and I do like WP7 over Android.
Here are my Browsermark runs for comparision.
Windows Phone 7 (HTC Trophy): 22,621
Surface RT Tegra 3 chipset w/ IE10: 69,852
Droid Max HD w/ Chrome: 100,914
iPhone 4s iOS6 w/ Safari: 103,578
Win 7 desktop w/ IE 9: 402, 102
Win 7 desktop w/ Chrome: 640,485
SurfaceRT Octane v1: 651
I'd say there are other usability features besides browserspeed to measure a smartphone device by. I like Android over iPhone and I do like WP7 over Android.
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I don't want to come across as someone who's religious about benchmarks, I just thought it was interesting that MS is in the spot that it's in. Honestly, I expected more. I feel that they need to make a big splash just for the sake of some attention.
Anyway, now I'm tempted to run Browsermark on my Transformer Prime (Tegra 3 T30 - same as the Surface) running Chrome/Jelly Bean to see how it compares.
Anyway, now I'm tempted to run Browsermark on my Transformer Prime (Tegra 3 T30 - same as the Surface) running Chrome/Jelly Bean to see how it compares.
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Now, THAT I can understand!
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Windows 8 by the Verge "Between Office and Xbox alone, Redmond is presenting one of the most compelling ecosystem stories in the business "
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Ok, ran the benchmark:
ASUS Transformer Prime TF201 [Tegra 3 T30 1.4Ghz quad-core, Android 4.1, Chrome ]
- Performance Mode: 131,625
- Balanced Mode: 116, 473
- Power Saving Mode: 89,784
I typically run it in Balanced mode and it lasts for days without charging. I noticed in the power saving mode the screen turned off in mid-test, which may have affected the benchmark, but oh well. The Nexus 7 should get close to those numbers as it uses a Tegra 3 T30L 1.2Ghz quad-core. Not bad for $200. Btw, the power saving, balanced and performance modes are an ASUS addition to the OS, not sure what "mode" the Nexus 7 would be in, my guess is closer to Balanced.
As for the discrepancy from what you posted the benchmark should be, I'm guessing they used the default browser that came with Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0), which is not Chrome. Chrome will be the default, if not already. But those numbers seem outdated. Likewise, I'm sure IE10's numbers will get much better as well.
Oh, and just for the hell of it:
Nexus S [1ghz Hummingbird single core, Android 4.1, Chrome]: 59,303
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Slate's Farhad Manjoo poopoos all over the Surface:
Why Is the Surface So Bad?
Of course, Farhad is one of the lamest tech writers out there, he does mention that the Surface is rather sluggish and lacks some flare. He also only compares it to the latest iPads, which I thought was rather dumb. Comparing it to similar hardware with similar features, like another Tegra 3 based unit with keyboard + touchpad would have made more sense to me, but what do I know? Still, I get the feeling that many non-technical types read his fluffed up articles and that might steer people the wrong way.
I have yet to actually play with a Surface. I wonder of the local Future Shop or Best Buy has one on display...
Why Is the Surface So Bad?
Of course, Farhad is one of the lamest tech writers out there, he does mention that the Surface is rather sluggish and lacks some flare. He also only compares it to the latest iPads, which I thought was rather dumb. Comparing it to similar hardware with similar features, like another Tegra 3 based unit with keyboard + touchpad would have made more sense to me, but what do I know? Still, I get the feeling that many non-technical types read his fluffed up articles and that might steer people the wrong way.
I have yet to actually play with a Surface. I wonder of the local Future Shop or Best Buy has one on display...
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Thanks for the article.
He has the price wrong (come on people) $599 for Touch Pad with the Surface RT. Perhaps he's right if you buy them seperately? If you want a cover it seems to make sense to do it at the same time.
He claims it's slow. It's not as bad as he makes out. Though I too am wanting it faster. However, it's because I consider it more full work usage than the iPad which I consider more of a home gadget. I think the Surface Pro with the full x86 is going to suit me better long term than either iPad or SurfaceRT. I do notice on flip it's not as smooth as the iPad. I rarely flip either so I don't consider that to overly bad but something Microsoft should improve upon.
Also it all depends what one compares to. I have an HP Slate with Intel Atom and Windows7. It's slow and it can't make it through a day without charging. There are such better options out there it's mostly unusable. SurfaceRT fixed most all of those problems.
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Here's my long term outlook. Computers are changing rapidly. In the same week we see the Tegra 3 / ARM SurfaceRT and the iPad Mini and new Maxi iPad we see some huge processor changes. AMD announcec in 2 years they'll have ARM included in their CPU/APU architecture. ARM announced 64bit processors coming in 2 years with Pentium 4ish type of of performance. Microsoft and ARM announced working a new 64bit operating system for these. Intel announced new low powered and low cost x86 chips. ... In two years will there be as much a difference between desktop and mobile processors? I'm thinking not really. Sure there will be powerful workstations for CAD/CAM, rendering, etc. I think we'll see more all-in-one tablet/notebook type of systems with near desktop performance. I think WinRT will be shortlived and collapse into Win9. I think too we'll see Apple moving towards an iOS/MacOS hybrid direction. There's even rumors Apple will dump Intel chips for it's own 'Super'ARM in a Mac within the next few years.
Psst- Apple instead of a stupid prioritary connector again you should have switched to Mini-USB like all the Microsoft and Android tablets and phones out there.
He has the price wrong (come on people) $599 for Touch Pad with the Surface RT. Perhaps he's right if you buy them seperately? If you want a cover it seems to make sense to do it at the same time.
He claims it's slow. It's not as bad as he makes out. Though I too am wanting it faster. However, it's because I consider it more full work usage than the iPad which I consider more of a home gadget. I think the Surface Pro with the full x86 is going to suit me better long term than either iPad or SurfaceRT. I do notice on flip it's not as smooth as the iPad. I rarely flip either so I don't consider that to overly bad but something Microsoft should improve upon.
Also it all depends what one compares to. I have an HP Slate with Intel Atom and Windows7. It's slow and it can't make it through a day without charging. There are such better options out there it's mostly unusable. SurfaceRT fixed most all of those problems.
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Here's my long term outlook. Computers are changing rapidly. In the same week we see the Tegra 3 / ARM SurfaceRT and the iPad Mini and new Maxi iPad we see some huge processor changes. AMD announcec in 2 years they'll have ARM included in their CPU/APU architecture. ARM announced 64bit processors coming in 2 years with Pentium 4ish type of of performance. Microsoft and ARM announced working a new 64bit operating system for these. Intel announced new low powered and low cost x86 chips. ... In two years will there be as much a difference between desktop and mobile processors? I'm thinking not really. Sure there will be powerful workstations for CAD/CAM, rendering, etc. I think we'll see more all-in-one tablet/notebook type of systems with near desktop performance. I think WinRT will be shortlived and collapse into Win9. I think too we'll see Apple moving towards an iOS/MacOS hybrid direction. There's even rumors Apple will dump Intel chips for it's own 'Super'ARM in a Mac within the next few years.
Psst- Apple instead of a stupid prioritary connector again you should have switched to Mini-USB like all the Microsoft and Android tablets and phones out there.
