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Newest big brother tool? The DMV
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cybereye said:
Every time there is MORE, there is more danger. The easier it is to do face searches the more faces the police will want in their data bases. The more faces they have, the more matches they will get, false positives included. The more magical the system seems the more they will trust it without question - yes, when a machine can do something that people can do only on a much bigger scale people will assume that the computer is just smarter than them and they rely on it as an authority.
The easier surveillance is the more of it there will be - but there will always be people who say "if you ain't doin' nuthin' wrong then you ain't got nuthin' to worry about." but innocent people will get picked up, and guilty people too - people who saw there was no traffic so crossed the road somewhere they shouldn't have - bingo - pay a fine. You drive 2 over the limit when the cops are way behind on their ticket quota and month end is coming up - bingo - pay a fine.
When the technology lets everything be watched, everything WILL be watched. What police force / intelligence agency would object? It's a KGB/Stasi wet dream.
Groups like the ACLU might be able to intervene from case to case but the computers are on the cops side and so many cases could come to court that precedence will be set in overwhelming numbers.
People who object will find themselves followed especially closely and since everyone breaks multiple laws per day (because there are more laws than anyone can keep track of) they will be harassed for stupid offenses.
These technologies will be used this way not because it is "right" but because no elites will be able to resist using them to protect their "way of life", especially if the economy really bites and the little people get restless.
I remember when just the world we have right now was the subject of sci-fi movies about a future that really sucked. (Every time I turned the TV on to a US news station post 9/11 I felt like I was watching Brazil - the Canadian TV used to be a touch saner but I don't watch it any more - what the hell must it be like for you guys!!)
I don't know. Maybe you feel safer in a total surveillance state - I don't - because I have opinions.
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You two misunderstood what I was saying. Police had been doing before the computer so it not really a new tool. It is just faster and easier. It is the same danger as for human eyes or computer, nothing different. If the police start picking many people that did not do it then lots of people complain then that will show the system is broken. Getting a driver license with the picture had already been in the database before I was born. It already exposes. Police is trying to catch dumb crook who file for a driver license. What I am against is something that was not there that added more info. For example credit cards now have RFID, Traffic lights that have cameras, thumb print at every banks, TSA at the airport, ect… Something that was not there in the first place reduces the exposes of building a database. Once it in the database, it just a matter of time that the system improve error with or without computer. So that tool is not anymore danger as it is now.
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You are really missing the big picture here CE. This is not about a criminal going to the DMV for a driver's license and getting busted. Not at all. This is about someone committing a crime that is caught on a surveillance camera. Police use that surveillance camera footage and use face recognition software to compare against the database of DMV driver's license pictures. Next thing you know, cybereye is eating salsbury steak watching star trek reruns when Pembroke Pines Police kick in his door and arrest him, using tasers because he appears to be a threat, for a crime cybereye never did.
Cybereye gets to go sit in Broward County Jail for months on end eating squashed green bologna sandwiches while his public defender suggests to him that he take a plea deal for a crime he never did. Cybereye could hire an expensive defense attourney if he had the money, but cyber does not. Cyber becomes a prison bitch and spends 20 years with a sore ass.
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A tool that can generate a lot of matches can generate hits for just about any offense no matter how trivial or perceived. Where there is monetary gain to be had (usually in the non-criminal offenses) you will likely see preferential enforcement. No court usually, and a dollar at the end of the process. That's one foreseeable outcome.
The other is that the more hits you generate, the more mistakes you will also generate but mistakes take more time to correct then make so the mistakes will overwhelm the system and more will get through.
The other is that the more hits you generate, the more mistakes you will also generate but mistakes take more time to correct then make so the mistakes will overwhelm the system and more will get through.
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Then the system is broken and maybe the judge is a crook to the judicial system of corruption. Yes, life is a bitch and blame on the broken system. Nothing is perfect and never will. That the price of freedom is to fight back. At this point, it does not show the system is working or not.redrumloa said:
Yes, That why we have a House and Senate is to change the law. If the House and Senate refuse to listen to the people then there will be a war within the country that tell the government system is broken. It just a matter of time that people will fight back.FluffyMcDeath said:
That is part of human that learn the error. If it overwhelm the system. Then that system is broken. I hopefully that human learn from it and get rid of the database, If not, then human have not learn from the broken system. So get rid of the driver's license ID and that problem will go away. Sure it be harder to find crook and that is the price for freedom. Fighting over a computer vs human is the same system because the database is there.FluffyMcDeath said: