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Except maybe Ecuador.

Assange has asylum, but his options are still limited

Am I being a conspiracy theorist for thinking this is all a setup? Maybe, but it's the only explanation that makes sense. There's almost zero chance the "rape" charges are legit. Far too many unusual things happening here.

Of course, one must also ask why he went to Ecuador. Perhaps it's because Ecuador would make a great soundtrack for a getaway?


(that intro is kinda fitting)
 
Glaucus said:
Am I being a conspiracy theorist for thinking this is all a setup?
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No, I don't think it's paranoid. There are some in the US that really want to get Assange and make an example of him and this sounds similar to a honey trap thought it may just be an "opportunity" presenting itself. Either way, just because Assange is who he is, this becomes something other than an exercise of judicial process.

Pussy Riot was just sentenced to two years in prison but that was after a public trial, whatever you may think of that (and I think it is probably a travesty) but Bradley Manning has already spent two years in solitary largely in solitary and sometimes without clothes and he hasn't even had a trial yet and probably never will. There is a group of people who are seriously bent out of shape over wikileaks and want to make whistleblowers think twice about spilling. If they can ever get their hands on Assange they will make an example, a very "persuasive" example of him.
 
Agree with most of what you say, but I'd hesitate to compare Bradley Manning to Pussy Riot. Alexander Litvinenko would be a far closer comparison.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Bradley Manning has already spent two years in solitary largely in solitary and sometimes without clothes and he hasn't even had a trial yet and probably never will.
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Section 110 of Article III. of the Constitution of the United States, it is declared that:

"Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason."

In 1790, the Congress of the United States enacted that:
"If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere, and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH; and that if any person or persons, having knowledge of the commission of any of the treasons aforesaid, shall conceal, and not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President of the United States, or some one of the Judges thereof, or to the President or Governor of a particular State, or some one of the Judges or Justices thereof, such person or persons, on conviction, shall be adjudged guilty of misprision of treason, and shall be imprisoned not exceeding seven years, and fined not exceeding one thousand dollars."

Manning is awaiting a court martial trial, his lawyer is asking for more trial delays

Assamge is not a US Citizen
 
Agreed, Manning is most likely to get a trial although I see little hope for him. Will he get the death penalty? Possibly. He could argue that he was whistle blowing, but it will be argued that he placed people's lives at risk. It's gonna be tough for him to get around that, even though it does seem that he took precautions to prevent that sort of thing.
 
metalman said:
Assamge is not a US Citizen
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So he should be safe from treason charges in theory but the US doesn't really care about what your citizenship is. If they want you they will go after you. Gary McKinnon, Richard O'Dwyer, and there are many others.

Also, remember that treason is a crime against the government. Germans who spoke out against Hitler committed treason and many were executed. The government of the US has committed crimes and pointing that out and showing evidence of that is treason but it is not immoral - it is right.
 
Assange is not likely to be charged with treason as we all agree he's not American. However, he may be treated as an enemy of the state. Assange goes claim that the US wants to extradite him. He may be wrong, the US might be happy with him doing time for rape in some foreign nation. In the end the result is the same, even if the charges are bogus.
 
Glaucus said:
Assange is not likely to be charged with treason as we all agree he's not American. However, he may be treated as an enemy of the state. Assange goes claim that the US wants to extradite him. He may be wrong, the US might be happy with him doing time for rape in some foreign nation. In the end the result is the same, even if the charges are bogus.
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Or they may just wait until he is in an open area and then get him with a drone. The president has that power - though he probably wouldn't want to advertise it in "civilized" nations. :)
 
If you listen to the statement from Ecuador it sounds like extradition to the US from Sweden is exactly what is on the table.

 
so ... this what "rule of law" has become, planted drugs, planted guns and planted used (ewwwwww!) condoms? outstanding!!
 
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