Not a socialist power grab, eh?

[redrumloa]

In Health Bill, Obama Attacks Wealth Inequality

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/busin ... hardt.html

For all the political and economic uncertainties about health reform, at least one thing seems clear: The bill that President Obama signed on Tuesday is the federal government’s biggest attack on economic inequality since inequality began rising more than three decades ago.

Over most of that period, government policy and market forces have been moving in the same direction, both increasing inequality. The pretax incomes of the wealthy have soared since the late 1970s, while their tax rates have fallen more than rates for the middle class and poor.

Nearly every major aspect of the health bill pushes in the other direction. This fact helps explain why Mr. Obama was willing to spend so much political capital on the issue, even though it did not appear to be his top priority as a presidential candidate. Beyond the health reform’s effect on the medical system, it is the centerpiece of his deliberate effort to end what historians have called the age of Reagan.

Remember when Obama said he wanted to "spread the wealth" and the liberal media spin machine went into full damage control? Guess what, now the liberal media is bragging about "spreading the wealth".

 

[Glaucus]

Obama is spreading the wealth?
Obama is putting an end to the age of Reagan?

I see nothing to complain about here.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Remember when Obama said he wanted to "spread the wealth" and the liberal media spin machine went into full damage control? Guess what, now the liberal media is bragging about "spreading the wealth".

The wealth distribution profile of a third world country is precisely what is wrong with the US. A consumer economy requires the majority of people to have adequate money with which to consume. An efficient economy requires that economic actors have roughly equivalent purchasing power. The modern mega-rich are distorting the economy in perverse ways, and they are distorting politics and political thought.

Any sober thought can reveal that rule by oligarchs is unhealthy for efficient resource distribution, but the mega-rich have the resources to create enough PR to prevent such realization in a critical mass of the populace.

 

[Robert]

Any sober thought can reveal that rule by oligarchs is unhealthy for efficient resource distribution, but the mega-rich have the resources to create enough PR to prevent such realization in a critical mass of the populace.

As demonstrated regularly on these pages.

 

[cecilia]

Obama is spreading the wealth?
Obama is putting an end to the age of Reagan?

I see nothing to complain about here.

yeah, sounds like something that would work great for me!

 

[faethor]

The bill that President Obama signed on Tuesday is the federal government’s biggest attack on economic inequality since inequality began rising more than three decades ago

Glad the CBO agrees with me that a clear start of economic inequality was... 1980 - Reaganomics! Ahh the Flashbacks

 

[redrumloa]

Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton, never let a good crisis go to waste

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Yup, they used this crisis to their advantage to grab power and further the crisis, to grab more power. Don't expect anything done to fix the crisis, these scumbags don't want to loose a good thing.

 

[Glaucus]

And thanks to Republicans, many more crisis await.

 

[redrumloa]

Check out this poll from the (hard left) Sun Sentinel website.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinio ... ,post.poll

What do you think?
Is the health care bill unconstitutional?

Yes. You can't force people to buy health insurance, and penalize them if they don't. This is America. (628 responses) - 30%

Yes. And the way the whole process was rammed down the throat of the American public stinks. It should be repealed. (811 responses) - 39%

No. Under the Commerce Clause, people can be required to buy health insurance. It's totally legal, and needed. (104 responses) -5%

No. Republicans are trying to find some miniscule loophole because they didn't have the votes to continue obstructing President Obama. These guys are jerks. (519 responses) - 25%

2062 total responses


That is 69% saying yes to just 30% saying no, in a hard left newspaper from a liberal stronghold of Broward County.

 

[Glaucus]

From my understanding, the health insurance penalty is just losing out on the tax credit that you'd get if you had insurance. Not sure how that's unconstitutional, and if it is half of your tax laws would be thrown out as well.

 

[redrumloa]

From my understanding, the health insurance penalty is just losing out on the tax credit that you'd get if you had insurance. Not sure how that's unconstitutional, and if it is half of your tax laws would be thrown out as well.

The Constitution very specifically limits the Federal gov and states only things outlined in the Constitution itself are the power of the Federal government. If it isn't in the Constitution, it is up to states to regulate. The Progressive/Socialist/Communist in government or whatever they are calling themselves today, are trying to hide behind the Commerce Clause which was NOT intended for "health care" or any Socialist power grab. In this poll from a hard left paper in a hard left market shows even the (non elected) left know the Commerce Clause does not justify this bill. Only 5% of those polled agreed the Commerce Clause makes this bill Constitutional.

Penalties are fines and/or imprisonment and the whole thing will be enforced by the treasury (aka the IRS).

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Check out this poll from the (hard left) Sun Sentinel website.

By using such outlandish rhetoric you undermine your own credibility.

The Sun Sentinel is owned by Tribune. The Chairman of the board of Tribune is Samuel Zell

His investment in the company was instrumental to the [going-private] transaction’s success. He was elected to Tribune Company’s board of directors in May 2007.

Zell is also chairman and president of Equity Group Investments, LLC, an entrepreneurial investment firm based in Chicago.

Equity Lifestyle Properties, Inc., an equity real estate investment trust which owns and operates manufactured home communities in 26 states; Equity Residential, the largest apartment real estate investment trust in the United States; Capital Trust, a specialized real estate finance company; and Covanta Holding Corp., a multinational owner and operator of modern waste-to-energy facilities.

In addition, Zell serves on the JPMorgan National Advisory Board and the Eurohypo International Advisory Board.

That's some hard left leadership alright.

While for tax reasons the company was structured as employee owned

Since making his deal for Tribune, Zell has done little to hide his disdain for what he has characterized as the arrogance of journalists and for arguments that newspapers are part of a public trust, as opposed to operating under the rules of any other business.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton, never let a good crisis go to waste

Nine One One

 

[Robert]

@Fluffy:

By using such outlandish rhetoric you undermine your own credibility.

So true and so eloquently articulated. To your good health, sir!

 

[faethor]

Lots more statistics Net effect... No change in opinion.

 

[redrumloa]

Check out this poll from the (hard left) Sun Sentinel website.

By using such outlandish rhetoric you undermine your own credibility.

The Sun Sentinel is owned by Tribune. The Chairman of the board of Tribune is Samuel Zell

I know who Sam Zell is very well, one of my prior companies managed a portfolio of his properties.

Zell's political giving
http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2007/ ... giving.php

Since the 1990 election, Zell and his family have given $181,500 to federal campaigns, parties and PACs, 49% to Democrats and 47% to Republicans.

Despite how he donates, the writers are all stupidly hard left and just plain stupid and in the pocket of big business. Broward County is also a democrat stronghold. Fact.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

[...] the writers are all stupidly hard left and [...] in the pocket of big business.

For crying out loud man. Stop digging!!

 

[faethor]

Broward County is also a democrat stronghold. Fact.

If it is a fact then it's a misspelling. It may be a Democratic stronghold if it's ruled by that particular party. Capital D is used because it's a specific name, like Republican. And 'ic' at the end because endings on names cannot be changed. For example we don't call it the republicant party even though saying 'Just say no' or 'can't' is their motto for everything.