Nursing rights

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We've had the discussion around vaccines. Certain people here feel Nurses shouldn't have to take vaccines due to personal choices. The UK has just followed your logic! UK Nurses allowed to not wash hands

I have to apologize because I used this as a hypothetical extreme ... I didn't know it was a reality.
 
Don't get sick in the UK...
 
No doubt! Certain professions in our society have certain requirements to achieve their goals. It should be a minimum requirement for healthcare workers to do everything to ensure they, themselves, don't transmit disease. If you're providing healthcare then you, yourself, should have habits and activities that keep you healthy. Semmelweis proved nearly 200 years ago that washing hands between patient makes a marked positive outcome on patients. We've gone to the crazy reactionist Libertarian extreme end of personal rights to think the nurse's right to run around with shit on their hands is a higher value than the patients right to life. ... Even Ayn Rand took public healthcare.
 
The UK Department of Health recently announced that it would loosen hygiene rules for Muslim and Sikh doctors and nurses.
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Nuttier than a fruitcake. I guess that is Socialized Medicine for you.
 
redrumloa said:
The UK Department of Health is a religious group?
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wasn't intended to be... but while we were trying to be kind to our neighbors and friends we foolishly tolerated, and still do; much fictional boogey man medicine (pray the gay away rings a bell)... and its the religions who demand acceptance the most, and the loudest... and they are the heretics of reality...and i should respect them why... because they have a different point of view? fawking really? why do i have to humour the easily deceived? i'm sorry to say this but volvo don't let people with 69 IQ's design their safety features for their cars, helmets aren't "fun"... and/or necessarily safe... no matter how much you "luv" trees and ponies... and whee unicorn's!!!...
 
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we should all just go back to believing the earth is flat... sooooo much easier than admitting to oneself they might have been duped... believe me... i get it... but i shan't wait upon you...
 
i mean if given my druthers i'd rather rely on a system that statistically engages in medical practices that actually have a proven track record of success or failure, at least i know that way... how many cases of aids,diabetes, cancer, cerebal palsey, mental defect, etc exactly has prayer successfully cured?..... no more than science i'm sure :D:rolleyes: , and far less if the "truth" be known...;)
 
if we can have a religion that thinks there's nothing wrong with checking a lip wound after a proctology exam and not washing ones hands, in the name of modesty... then we have ill defined "modesty" at the very least... ;)
 
@Redrumloa,

It's not only socialized medicine. This sort of thing can be supported where we allow religious exemptions to trump rationality. Recently in Michigan legislators were voting on a bill that enabled Medical Staff to not perform any services against their religious convictions. http://www.annarbor.com/news/govern...llow-refusal-of-health-care-on-a-moral-basis/

While this is nothing then a thinly veiled anti-abortion campaign by the right-wing it has some seriously concerning sweeping implications. It would enable Islamic Nurses to not watch hands, afterall it is against their faith. And what happens if the Dr. decided to switch to say Scientologist. Is it okay for them to no longer give you pain killers? Enjoy that surgery! What if your kid has an accident, the ambulance comes, and you end up in the care of a Jehovah Witness? Your school aged daughter lost a lot of blood but since they don't believe in transfusions they wouldn't need to stock up on blood for replacement. The question then becomes do you transport your daughter to a different hospital, calling around first to make sure they aren't all Jehovah Witness owned in your area, or just to the morgue?

The point is clear - medical care needs to depend upon the best science we have available to care for people. The rights of the patient to live should be superior to the personal rights of the doctor or nurse.
 
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