Obama loves the banks and the banks love Obama

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Yes, Obama really IS doing a great job. Who is he doing it for? Well, the financial industry understand that he has done valuable work for them and they are looking forward to see more from him in the future. So they are funding his campaign like crazy.

In fact, a banker love fest may even be the official policy of the Democratic Party.

I know there are a few who will jump on this as proving that Republicans are "better", but they just answer to other powerful interests. No, rather I just want to point out that Democrats are not "better" either. (Saner, perhaps, but not better).
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
I know there are a few who will jump on this as proving that Republicans are "better", but they just answer to other powerful interests. No, rather I just want to point out that Democrats are not "better" either. (Saner, perhaps, but not better).
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Republicans are better, but better does not mean good.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Still can't let go of your team, eh? Who's more important? Your team or you and your family?
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How about my country. Without a country, there is no law and order for people to enjoy their family.
 
cybereye said:
Without a country, there is no law and order for people to enjoy their family.
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No, country doesn't do it. That is the job of government. Nation state governments define what a country is but you can have a terrible national government (calling itself you country) enforcing ridiculous laws and it wouldn't help you enjoy anything.
Law and order is set and enforced by people an so is a function of your community (however large that may be) and how the community governs itself.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Nation state governments define what a country is.
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Is people that define what a country is. If the people not happy with the king. The people will try to kickout the king.
FluffyMcDeath said:
Law and order is set and enforced by people an so is a function of your community (however large that may be) and how the community governs itself.
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As you said, it the people that define Law and order that created a country. Again, Who's more important? I say my country.
 
if people really cared about their country they wouldn't have voted for that incompetent boob, bush and his evil VICE president, cheney.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Still can't let go of your team, eh? Who's more important? Your team or you and your family?
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What are you going off on about teams now? I have been badmouthing the Republican party since at least 2007, if not earlier. The problem with most politicians who call themselves Republican is that they do not really believe in it, the party is only a vehicle to get into office. As much as you badmouth the Tea Party and eat up the media smear campaigns against it, the Tea Party is standing for what Republicans are supposed to stand for. This is why the Republican establishment finds it to be a threat.

Like it or not, we are stuck with politics unless you support real life anarchy.
 
cecilia said:
if people really cared about their country they wouldn't have voted for that incompetent boob, bush and his evil VICE president, cheney.
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It is almost 3 years now that Bush has been out of office. At some point your finger will have to start pointing at the one in office now.
 
redrumloa said:
What are you going off on about teams now? I have been badmouthing the Republican party since at least 2007, if not earlier. The problem with most politicians who call themselves Republican is that they do not really believe in it, the party is only a vehicle to get into office. As much as you badmouth the Tea Party and eat up the media smear campaigns against it, the Tea Party is standing for what Republicans are supposed to stand for. This is why the Republican establishment finds it to be a threat.

Like it or not, we are stuck with politics unless you support real life anarchy.
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He keeps forgetting the Tea Party is a mix of GOP/Independents/Democrats. There are some awful GOP members of Congress that need to go. Typically they are the ones who are more then happy to be seen as moderates who will compromise with the Democrats because they just want to retain their power at all cost, regardless to what it will do to America.

Look at this last budget deal fiasco that yielded zero budget cuts but guarantees $7T in new national debt over the next 10 years. I keep hearing from the left about taxing the rich? How many are those to tax to make up $1.6T deficit? Not that many: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60717.html so I guess that leaves middle class as the chumps who have to pay for it all for many generations to come.
 
redrumloa said:
What are you going off on about teams now?
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I made a similar point to you years ago. Your unswayable and never-ending (even back then) contention that Republican is better than Democrat looks, to an outsider at least, like the kind of blind support associated with sports teams.

To be fair, you didn't agree then either. :p


I have been badmouthing the Republican party since at least 2007, if not earlier.
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And how many times have you voted for anyone else since then?

If the answer isn't at least twice, then see above response to first point.

As much as you badmouth the Tea Party and eat up the media smear campaigns against it, the Tea Party is standing for what Republicans are supposed to stand for. This is why the Republican establishment finds it to be a threat.
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But the Tea Party is not a political party.

You want to vote Tea Party?
Well then you'll probably have to vote Republican, so see above repsonse to first point. ;)
 
[quote="Robert, post: 22472"
But the Tea Party is not a political party.

You want to vote Tea Party?
Well then you'll probably have to vote Republican, so see above repsonse to first point. ;)[/quote]

No, your assuming that the Tea Party is 100% GOP, it's not. There well could be a indie or Democrat Tea Party member that could gain Red's vote over a progressive GOPer.

IMO, it is better to vote for some Democrat then it is to vote for a progressive (read moderate) or a out and out RINO. GOP elites have to learn not to push these RINOs on us or they are going to lose by conservatives switching vote in retaliation. Heck, if GOP slams through some RINO as our nominee, I'll vote for Obama. I rather have Obama going down as America's biggest failure then have the GOP being blamed for what the Elites and Marxist have done to my country.
 
Dammy said:
No, your assuming that the Tea Party is 100% GOP, it's not.
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No he isn't. He said that to vote for a Tea Party candidate you will have to vote Republican because that will be the ticket the Tea Party candidate is running under.

Do you know of any Tea Party candidates that are running as Independent or Democratic?
 
redrumloa said:
What are you going off on about teams now? I have been badmouthing the Republican party since at least 2007, if not earlier.
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It's possible to badmouth your team and still want it to win over another team. So longer as you favour one team over another no matter what then you are pulling for your team.

The problem is that so long as people keep insisting that their team is less bad than the other team then people will keep voting for the lesser of two evils despite the fact the the lesser of two evils is still evil.

whichever team you support you are really always supporting the team owners and that isn't you. If you want better representation you need to find the independents and you need to find out who they are and what they stand for and then you need to ride them constantly once they are in office - make them yours. To do that you have to completely drop the idea of teams and quit player the "my team is less bad" card.

Unfortunately it is hard to do. Brand is a very powerful psychological hook as marketroids and ad men know - and they use the fear that if you abandon your team then the other team will get in and it will be your fault (remember Nader).
 
Dammy said:
He keeps forgetting the Tea Party is a mix of GOP/Independents/Democrats.
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It's not like this is an even mix of people as about 70-80% identify as Republican. Also, the only Tea Party candidates up for election are part of the Banana Republican party.

I keep hearing from the left about taxing the rich? How many are those to tax to make up $1.6T deficit? Not that many: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60717.html
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The # talked about is if the Bush tax but is removed about 800 Billion (roughly 1/2) of the deficit could be made up. Now about 72% of the population want taxes increased in such a way. Of course the politicans aren't listening as that 72% doesn't write them big checks. So now we're talking $800 billion some more cuts and a slightly 1% tick of extra tax on the ultrarich and we're there.

so I guess that leaves middle class as the chumps who have to pay for it all for many generations to come.
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Banana Republican Elites learned in the 60s they didn't want to share power with the middle class. That might be, god forbid, democratic in a way our Founders would have liked. So of course they pulled the chair out from the middle-class.

Tax cuts?! -- It's all the Tea Party wants. Here's my idea. For each new employee a business hires have a 4 year period of no business paid salary taxes. The simple fact is there is money abound in this economy. We just have to do things to encourage spending the savings. Activity then further drives growth and hiring.
 
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