Obama = No Jobs.

Of course Obama can't compete with the Republican job creation plan. Jobs, that is, in the army. Time to start a war! Hey, did Obama do that? I guess that's the real problem right there! Bush's Iraq war took 4,477 US citizens out of the unemployment stats FOR EVER! Well done Bush! And all while making record profits for his friends in the oil and military industries. Super Genius!

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We've had this discussion here. I doubt we'll get any benefit out of it again. But lets do this.

Bush netted 3Million private sector jobs (from the end of the recession) about .5% private growth. Slightly above the worst, Bush I at .41%. When Bush took office 13% of jobs were in manufacturing. About 9.9% of jobs were in manufacturing when he left. In-home healthcare was the big winner. And Gov. jobs the 'conservative' Bush increased gov jobs faster than any previous administration.

Switch to Obama.. Obama has netted 4.5 private sector jobs (from the end of the recession) in 1/2 the time it took Bush to get to 3Million. Gov jobs are down about 1million. (Cutting payrolls is fairly conservative in my book. As it is a yearly continual reduction in expenses.) Manufacturing, under Obama, is seeing gains. The first time since the 1990s.

Net - are we better than 4 years ago? YES. The arguement is really that the gains weren't fast enough. Though seeing the McCain option 4 years ago and listening to which version Romney is trying to sell; as bad as Obama may be he's the better selection.
 
u guys (republicans) got forced to choose between last clown standing, cause you were blinded by teabaggers (see how i did that?)... u all are asking folks to be a whole different range of stupid here... hes off shored more jobs than his plans will bring back... he's a piece of crap ass human with no integrity.... when 911 struck, his buddies at bain, with him at the helm or (for tax purposes and whatever) not, profited off of the dead bodies. politics might be nasty and dirty and funding might be worse but from 911 to iraq, to the current situations in the middle east you guys have actual real dead american human beings on ur hands... wipe ur shitty hands on someone elses shirt...
 
Garrison Keillor isn't some loser. He's spent his life working and contributing to American culture.

He also isn't lying.
So the truth hurts?
cry me a river :rolleyes:
 
Fade said:
Obama on track to have worst job record since World War II
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Fromthe article:
But analysts at the Federal Reserve Board, economists and business leaders say Mr. Obama’s declining economy is not going to get significantly better this year, next year or the year after that, until there are dramatic changes in the nation’s fiscal policies. Changes Obama Democrats refuse to make.
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But there's the rub - the Republicans are refusing to make the necessary changes as well. Have either side been asking for the break ups of the big banks, for a new strong Glass-Steagall, for prosecutions of the fraudsters that destroyed the economy? Of course not.​
What the US needs is for the banks that committed fraud to let the little guys they raped get some of their money back and then go spend some time in the slammer.​
What the US needs is to stop spending so much money it doesn't have on bombing other people's countries and stationing very expensive military bases there.​
What the US needs is a proper single payer healthcare system that would save the country 40% in what it currently spends on healthcare and would extend coverage to more people tan are currently covered.​
What the US needs is an end to the drug war which has lead to an expensive militarized police force and to a prison industry that costs taxpayers ridiculous amounts of money to keep a lot of pretty harmless ruffians locked up for ever.​
What the US needs is a government of the people, by the people and for the people.​
Neither Democrat nor Republican parties are in a hurry to give you that.​
And if you think that Rich Romney is going to help the poor people rather than hand over more freebies to his country club friends then you are living in Disney Land.​
 
oh, Nooooo, the gop are going to shoot themselves!!!

US jobless rate falls to 7.8 pct., 44-month low

The rate declined from 8.1 percent because the number of people who said they were employed soared by 873,000
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The Labor Department said employers added 114,000 jobs in September. It also said the economy created 86,000 more jobs in July and August than the department had initially estimated.

Wages rose in September. And more people started looking for work.
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those fake republicans are just not trying hard enough to screw over the 47%
 
cecilia said:
oh, Nooooo, the gop are going to shoot themselves!!!

US jobless rate falls to 7.8 pct., 44-month low


those fake republicans are just not trying hard enough to screw over the 47%
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47% are so easily fooled

So the business survey says +114k jobs, the HH survey says +873k. Who you going to believe?

If these jobs numbers are to be believed, I recommend investing in hair net companies!

What is 'work' anyway?
I mean if you have to go out everyday and stand in line for another "free Obama phone", isn't that a job?
 
@Metalman
Really do we have to do this again? Obama inherited a nation in a job downswing. Jan 2009, Obama was sworn in. That same month employers released nearly 600K workers. 2009 was a year of more layoffs than hiring. In 2010 this swung the other way and hiring started back up. There's been new job hiring in the private sector for the last 22 months. The public sector has been laying off.

Now on that whole public sector lay off thing. We saw Bush II's postive hiring numbers at the end of his 8 terms were basically driven by the government. You know that thing Republicans tell us they hate and want to cut. It's hard to cut when you hire people, that commits spending. Whereas under the Obama years we've have government lay-offs. This, in Republican theory, should be a good thing. It helps to reign in spending and slow the growth of the government. And it does so compared to keeping workers or governmental hiring. Strangely no credit to the "liberal" who is executing a "conservative" fiscal policy when it comes to staffing?

Are things bad? Sure, I agree things aren't where we want them to be. We clearly have not recreated jobs as fast as Bush lost them. Could we do better? Perhaps. But, look the CBO stated under current Obama plans they predict a 150K / month job growth. Similarily Mittens claimed he'll grow jobs by 150K / month or in short no better than the existing player. If Mitt accomplishes what he said we're no better off on the job front, just the same. That's an uncompelling reason to change leadership. Certainly there may be other reasons but the job creation issue is moot due to Mitten not promising anything any better.
 
Of course they do. Republicans hate that the economy is recovering. Especially since they did everything in their Congressional power to stop any sort of job creation. Turns out that Democratic Presidents simply have a better record on the Economy. I've cited the articles and work demonstrating this. I'm not going to source them now but if someone wants to see those analyses they can probably search here for the past record.
 
Glaucus said:
The Jobs Report and the Right's Love of Conspiracy Theories
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There is no conspiracy, the HH number is notoriously unreliable
:rolleyes:

the jobs growth was all in people working more than 1 part time job, and a large "statistical" correction. The 7.8 is just a quirk, the other numbers show anaemic job growth

The number of people receiving food stamps, unemployment, and disability keeps growing, and tax receipts keeps falling, not exactly signs of a recovery

You should check out the Prog's conspiracy theory's on why Romney won the debate :rolleyes:
 
There is no conspiracy, the HH number is notoriously unreliable
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Any idea why the Republicans waited so long to point this out? Afterall it's the same formula as used under BushII, changed a bit by Clinton, the major formulas used by Bush I, and the major changes last done in the Reagan Era. It's one way Reagan's unemployment numbers improved.
 
faethor said:
Any idea why the Republicans waited so long to point this out? Afterall it's the same formula as used under BushII, changed a bit by Clinton, the major formulas used by Bush I, and the major changes last done in the Reagan Era. It's one way Reagan's unemployment numbers improved.
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well, of Course these numbers don't count.
it's Obama's :D
 
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