Obama Signs Legislation Killing Bill of Rights

We'll never know what a Republican President would have done. The next closest was GWBush who signed similar things in the Patriot Act. We do have a headcount of Republicans with as much support as the Democrats in Congress for this legislation. And to date no serious Republican Presidential contenders have come out against this. I'd have to conclude a Republican Prez would have signed it too.
 
faethor said:
And to date no serious Republican Presidential contenders have come out against this. I'd have to conclude a Republican Prez would have signed it too.
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Ron Paul is firmly against it for what it is, tyranny.
 
Robert said:
Ron Paul is not a serious contender.
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You kidding, right? Ron Paul's #3 showing is a joke.

Ron Paul’s Iowa Finish: “Biggest Fraud Since Kennedy Stole the West Virginia Primary”

On Tuesday, we warned that the GOP would try to fix the race in order to get rid of Paul. “Tonight’s final vote tally for the Iowa caucuses will take place at a secret undisclosed location, an announcement that has stoked fears of vote fraud amongst Ron Paul supporters, concerns that were heightened following a Republican insider’s claim that the GOP establishment will not allow Paul to win,”
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They are afraid of Paul, because he is indeed a serious contender.
 
Red, your post really explains why Ron Paul isn't a serious contender in the GOP.
 
faethor said:
Red, your post really explains why Ron Paul isn't a serious contender in the GOP.
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Funny, taken at face value Ron Paul was 3rd place, within 3.2% of first place. I can't take face value and I a bit surprised by your wanting to believe the GOP is as pure as the driven snow.
 
redrumloa said:
Funny, taken at face value Ron Paul was 3rd place, within 3.2% of first place. I can't take face value and I a bit surprised by your wanting to believe the GOP is as pure as the driven snow.
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You seem to be somewhat missing both faethor's point and mine.
 
Not true Dammy -- Bush went to war on Iraq and signed the Patriot Act and hell didn't descend. Though some may argue that's because Hell was already running the White House, but that might be a different thread.
 
faethor said:
Not true Dammy -- Bush went to war on Iraq and signed the Patriot Act and hell didn't descend. Though some may argue that's because Hell was already running the White House, but that might be a different thread.
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exactly!
and the disaster in Iraq is a billion times worse than Libya
 
cecilia said:
exactly!
and the disaster in Iraq is a billion times worse than Libya
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For who? Both countries have now had their infrastructure and government institutions destroyed and their banking and oil fields put into the hands of puppets and while it doesn't make the news NATO and the "rebels" killed thousands of civilians in Libya. Obama's rape of Libya was simply more clever than Cheney's rape of Iraq. In both cases the operations can be considered successful because in both cases the people that benefited didn't have to pay for the operation.
 
Dammy said:
Imagine if Bush had gone to war on Libya, or signed the NDAA, or the above. Hell would have descended on the White House.
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Obama's atrocities are being treated, by the main stream media, exactly as Bush's were - with silence. Generally the corporations and individuals that own the main stream media do not see these powers as bad things because, for the most part, they own the White House and so the powers the president keeps giving himself more of (republican or Democrat) are for the benefit of the corporations that own both parties.

If you check the link red gave at the top of this thread you will see that the linked videos are from liberal and libertarian sources mostly with the MSM being utterly silent on the issue.
 
faethor said:
We'll never know what a Republican President would have done.
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Yes we would. He would have signed it too. The bill doesn't come from the president - it comes from "think tanks" that hand it to compliant politicians to rubber stamp. Generally speaking no party will allow anyone to run for president that would not sign what the "think tanks" put out and so any Republican president would have done the same thing.
 
faethor said:
Red, your post really explains why Ron Paul isn't a serious contender in the GOP.
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He isn't a serious contender because he has populist views that don't serve the current power elite. Therefore the power elite will prevent him from getting too close to them.

It was interesting watching in the lead up to Iowa how, despite Ron Paul polling ahead of Romney but suddenly the media rediscovered Santorum. If you look at the polling data, the polls follow the media attention (except Paul's numbers which show a steady rise). Exit polling showed Paul ahead (as did polling prior to the Primaries) however, entrance polling on the main stream media is pretty much in line with the official results. It's hard to find the older poll results now because the final results seem to be crowding out google searches right now.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
For who? Both countries have now had their infrastructure and government institutions destroyed and their banking and oil fields put into the hands of puppets and while it doesn't make the news NATO and the "rebels" killed thousands of civilians in Libya. Obama's rape of Libya was simply more clever than Cheney's rape of Iraq. In both cases the operations can be considered successful because in both cases the people that benefited didn't have to pay for the operation.
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without diminishing the horrors in Libya, what happened in Iraq basically has lasted longer and has had more time for destruction.
also, I don't know if haliburton has gotten in Libya (yet?)
 
redrumloa said:
Funny, taken at face value Ron Paul was 3rd place, within 3.2% of first place. I can't take face value and I a bit surprised by your wanting to believe the GOP is as pure as the driven snow.
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gore v bush... no offense but dr paul can go to court if hed like... worked out well for past majority vote winners where it was called into question... im sure things are fairer now....
 
faethor said:
Not true Dammy -- Bush went to war on Iraq and signed the Patriot Act and hell didn't descend. Though some may argue that's because Hell was already running the White House, but that might be a different thread.
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With all the anti-war protest, the MSM demanding to video tape the dead returning in coffins? I sure remember the damnation over the Patriot Act, it was being done by the conservatives as well as the progressives. You have a awfully short memory.
 
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Dammy said:
With all the anti-war protest, the MSM demanding to video tape the dead returning in coffins? I sure remember the damnation over the Patriot Act, it was being done by the conservatives as well as the progressives. You have a awfully short memory.
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Bullcrap! MSM were beating the war drums. Not a single one of them questioned going to war. Not 1!
 
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