Obama supports voter fraud by quasi-criminal organisation?

[redrumloa]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/se ... ohnmccain1

"We are concerned that there is or may be a pattern of registering people who are not entitled to vote or otherwise gumming up the system for registering voters."

He cited news reports in Michigan, Colorado and elsewhere describing problematic registration applications surfacing after large Acorn registration drives. Earlier this month in Detroit, for example, the secretary of state's office cited a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications" arising from an Acorn drive.

Last week, Republican officials called Acorn's North Carolina chapter "a quasi-criminal, Democratic affiliated organisation" after an election official asked the state to check 80 applications submitted by the group.

Today, Danforth sought to link Acorn to the Obama camp, noting that a political action committee affiliated with Acorn endorsed Obama.

He also said the McCain campaign was concerned that some ballot stations in heavily Democratic areas would be allowed to remain open on election night after their scheduled closing.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Re: Obama supports voter fraud by quasi-criminal organisatio

"We are concerned that there is or may be a pattern of registering people who are not entitled to vote or otherwise gumming up the system for registering voters."

It's a joke, right? Gumming up the registration process tends to favour the Republicans so why would the Dems want to do that?

the secretary of state's office cited a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications" arising from an Acorn drive.

There have been problems in the past due to "pay per name" schemes where Mikey Mouse registers to vote multiple times but that's a fraud against Acorn by workers. Multiples will be spotted (and maybe people are just scared that they are not properly registered this time around since legitimate voters keep getting scrubbed form the rolls by Republican run databases).

Last week, Republican officials called Acorn's North Carolina chapter "a quasi-criminal, Democratic affiliated organisation" after an election official asked the state to check 80 applications submitted by the group.

"Republican officials called..." like anything Republicans say is evidence of anything. In fact, if Republicans say something it's usually evidence for the opposite.

He also said the McCain campaign was concerned that some ballot stations in heavily Democratic areas would be allowed to remain open on election night after their scheduled closing.

You mean like they had to in 2004 because Republican controlled electoral officials neglected to put enough machines in Democratic ridings to handle the expected turnout in a timely fashion leading to thousands of people standing in line for eight hours or more waiting to vote - so they extended polling to allow people to exercise their constitutional right?

I guess it's not a joke - because it's not even remotely funny.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Here's someone in Florida who's pretty pissed at the McCain campaign for sending out fake voter registration forms.

Here are some more misleading forms sent out by the McCain team.

The idea is to invalidate as many Dem voters as possible which is really important especially now that a recent poll put Obama at 52 over 43 for McCain.

When everybody votes, Dems win. If enough poor and minority voters can be stopped, the Republicans don't have to edit the machine results too much.

 

[cecilia]

after watching that film UNcounted I'm even more horrified by the fact that citizens are having their right to vote compromised.


I'm not really sure what that has to do with Obama

 

[faethor]

Re: Obama supports voter fraud by quasi-criminal organisatio

"We are concerned that there is or may be a pattern of registering people who are not entitled to vote or otherwise gumming up the system for registering voters."

He cited news reports in Michigan, Colorado and elsewhere describing problematic registration applications surfacing after large Acorn registration drives. Earlier this month in Detroit, for example, the secretary of state's office cited a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications" arising from an Acorn drive.

Adding too many people isn't as much an issue as taking people off the voter registrations. Extra work for the government perhaps but it doesn't stop anyone from voting. As much as the Republicans want to blame some Democratic conspiracy I think Occam's Razor would say more then likely it was crappy workers who were paid via signatures adding voters to pocket some cash.

He also said the McCain campaign was concerned that some ballot stations in heavily Democratic areas would be allowed to remain open on election night after their scheduled closing.

How disconcerting but a polling station that stays open so people can voice their democratic right. The horror! :roll: If voting is popular then I say by all means stay open. This also prevents local organizations who under purchase polling booths in hope to cut down the voter counts.

Myself -- Minnesota and the Wisconsin constantly lead the nation in % of citizens turning out to vote. I don't think it's a conicidence that these 2 states have same day voter registration. It makes it easy on people to vote. Also, if someone is fraudulently taken off it's easy to get back on.

My other thought -- why 1 day for voting? People work, have kids, have emergencies, travel, etc. I move to extend voting to 1 week this will further enable people to get to the polls when it's most convenient to them. Or perhaps a related idea -- Election day is a holiday and all businesses except gas stations must be closed by law. This ensures people can get gas to go to and from the voting station and have plenty of time to vote.

Voting need not be in 1 day. We swear in the President 2 months later. Certainly any of those ideas would allow more then sufficent time to count the votes a couple of times.

 

[cecilia]

I like all those ideas...and no place should use a computer system that has NO paper trail. that system can't be trusted

 

[metalman]

Re: Obama supports voter fraud by quasi-criminal organisatio

Adding too many people isn't as much an issue as taking people off the voter registrations. Extra work for the government perhaps but it doesn't stop anyone from voting. As much as the Republicans want to blame some Democratic conspiracy I think Occam's Razor would say more then likely it was crappy workers who were paid via signatures adding voters to pocket some cash.

Paid to vote in Obama's 2004 Senate race in Illinois. cash, cigarettes or liquor

Myself -- Minnesota and the Wisconsin constantly lead the nation in % of citizens turning out to vote. I don't think it's a conicidence that these 2 states have same day voter registration. It makes it easy on people to vote. Also, if someone is fraudulently taken off it's easy to get back on.

Cast ballots outnumber voters by 4,609 in Milwaukee

83,000 people executed a same-day registration for Milwuakee County, 10,000 of those registrations could not later be verified

Thats some Impressive voter participation :roll:

 

[faethor]

Re: Obama supports voter fraud by quasi-criminal organisatio

Myself -- Minnesota and the Wisconsin constantly lead the nation in % of citizens turning out to vote. I don't think it's a conicidence that these 2 states have same day voter registration. It makes it easy on people to vote. Also, if someone is fraudulently taken off it's easy to get back on.

Cast ballots outnumber voters by 4,609 in Milwaukee

Thats some Impressive voter participation :roll:

As I stated more voter turn out link WI 66.1% of all eligable voters. Florida w/ 50.6%, Minnesota 68.8%, GA a 43.8% voter turn out. So yes much higher voter turn out as I stated.

Minnesota's error was under 1%. Florida's error 2.9%. Georgia 5%. In your link that was 4600 out of 270000 or ~1.7% error. Still an error rate better then other states without same day voter registration.

On top of that a democracy is supposed to be more inclusive. A higher voting rate and lower error rate gives a better democratic representation. So subtract the errors... Looking at that 68% of possible voting Minnesota's had a voice outside of the error. 64% of Wisconsinites had a voice outside of the error. Whereas Floridians only had a 47% voice and Georgians likely lead the country in least democratic with 37% counting validly.

The 2 states with same day voter registration appear to have less errors and more voter turn out. Turns out these 2 states do indeed have some of the most accurate citizen representation in their democratic processes. So while not perfect they are indeed the best we have.
MN and WI --- Thats some Impressive voter participation.