Obama's Big Blunder

ltstanfo

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Well, time to eat crow Democrats. You were able to enjoy bashing Bush for his initial handling of the 911 horror (recall reading the book to kids and then the prolonged silence...). Now Obama has given his critics his equivelant:

Obama's Shout-out was not only a poor choice of words, even in the intended context of his planned speech but the mere fact that he needed 3+ minutes to even reference the horrible shooting at Fort Hood yesterday showed just how out of touch he apparently was (IMO).

I happened to be watching the news yesterday with my father and we were both amazed at Obama's apparent lack of speaking priorities and (initial) concern... I'm glad to see that the country finally got to see the president's priorities.

Eloquent and educated speaker? Not yesterday. Congratulations Mr. President... you were an idiot. :x :roll:

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Ltstanfo
 
The shooter was muslim, so I bet the timing was thought out before hand.
 
redrumloa said:
The shooter was muslim, so I bet the timing was thought out before hand.

I'm not concerned about that. I want to know why the "great enunciator" took 3 minutes to reference (in passing apparently) what was *THE* headline that the news was listening for and what the public wanted to hear him address. Bush isn't alone anymore... :hammer:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
Well, time to eat crow Democrats. You were able to enjoy bashing Bush for his initial handling of the 911 horror (recall reading the book to kids and then the prolonged silence...). Now Obama has given his critics his equivelant:

What? Dereliction of duty? You mean he stayed out of the loop during a national emergency involving multiple aircraft hijackings (which was a situation that had already begun before president entered the school) at a time when intelligence agencies from around the world had been warning the US that an attack was imminent and that the US intelligence services knew was imminent and likely to involve aircraft and that the intelligence agencies had briefed the president on months before to which he responded "OK, you've covered your asses"?

It's equivalent to that?

I happened to be watching the news yesterday with my father and we were both amazed at Obama's apparent lack of speaking priorities and (initial) concern... I'm glad to see that the country finally got to see the president's priorities.

Soldiers are just assets, and cheap and replaceable assets too; cheaper than a lot of other military assets. A single Tomahawk missile costs as much as a Private's salary for 31 years (but only 5 years of a General's pay).

Of course the ruling classes don't care about soldiers. You can't get too emotional about people you send off to get killed for your own personal gain. As Kissinger said - "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." If they were truly a defense force then they would operate only within US borders ready to expel attackers. Instead they are used to take and hold ground overseas in strategic and resource rich locations.

Politicians always like to tell us that the soldiers are fighting for "our" way of life and protecting "our" freedoms - but we always assume that when they say "our" it means them and us and it doesn't. The soldiers belong to the ruling classes (meaning are "owned by" not "part of")and protects their freedoms and their way of life. If a few of them get broken along the way it's no big deal because there are plenty more cattle where they came from, and if you need more, just crash the economy so that the forces becomes the only job you can get (the armed forces IS communism - it's a command economy with autocratic leadership and all vital needs covered by the state - and Americans' love it).

Military deaths are just not that important unless they become strategically significant. Hasn't watching politicians for your entire adult life already opened your eyes to this? Do you think that when Obama goes the next in will be any different at all?

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And, for the record, it didn't take that long to reach the media's interest point, Obama addressed his hosts first, it was their venue, their conference, it was wholly appropriate - and his remarks addressing the incident were also wholly appropriate. The article mischaracterizes the video. If a mistake was made then it was a technical mistake in switching to the presidents feed too soon.

That said, my remarks above still stand.
 
The real issue: Americans shooting Americans. I thought you'd all be used to it by now. That's the price of lax gun control, so just shut up and pay. Calming words by your president won't fix a damn thing.
 
ltstanfo said:
You were able to enjoy bashing Bush for his initial handling of the 911 horror (recall reading the book to kids and then the prolonged silence...). Now Obama has given his critics his equivelant:

Obama's Shout-out was not only a poor choice of words, even in the intended context of his planned speech but the mere fact that he needed 3+ minutes to even reference the horrible shooting at Fort Hood yesterday showed just how out of touch he apparently was (IMO).

I don't think that's a fair comparison. The two situations are completely different. (I assume you're not going down the silly "Rape is Rape" route?)
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
That said, my remarks above still stand.

Ahh... another Obama apologist. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Glaucus said:
The real issue: Americans shooting Americans. I thought you'd all be used to it by now. That's the price of lax gun control, so just shut up and pay. Calming words by your president won't fix a damn thing.

Nice try Mike but it won't fly. All the gun "control" laws in the world would not have prevented what occurred yesterday. A soldier, on a military installation, shot other soldiers. If I like to complain about New York City and California's gun laws (and you know I do), they have nothing on gun laws on a military installation.

Thank you for playing... Redrumloa has a lovely parting gift for you. :roflmao:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Robert said:
I don't think that's a fair comparison. The two situations are completely different. (I assume you're not going down the silly "Rape is Rape" route?)

The circumstances are certainly different, I readily admit that, but the effect is similar (IMO). As for "rape is rape", I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that analogy.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
ltstanfo said:
FluffyMcDeath said:
That said, my remarks above still stand.

Ahh... another Obama apologist. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

It's just some GOP pundit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill so they don't have to look at the real mountain. Both parties support the real mountain so it's not really in either sides interest to point it out.
 
Does Obama need to give another speech now?

Will he be judged in the same way on this one? Is there a difference between those who are prepared to die, dying, and those who are not, doing so?
 
Yep, another day, another mass shooting in the USA.
 
ltstanfo said:
redrumloa said:
The shooter was muslim, so I bet the timing was thought out before hand.

I'm not concerned about that. I want to know why the "great enunciator" took 3 minutes to reference (in passing apparently) what was *THE* headline that the news was listening for and what the public wanted to hear him address. Bush isn't alone anymore... :hammer:

Regards,
Ltstanfo

You are not worried about it, but Obama was. Everything Obama does is calculated, waiting to mention the shooting was calculated. Was it a blunder? Absolutely, but it was calculated.
 
Someone in the military doing what they are trained to do? Kill people. Actually doing it? Not too surprising. We have seen this over and over. I doubt I need to remind anyone of the Nam vets, who become postal workers, and their handling of co-worker relations.

Comparing to Bush's lack of action on 9/11 or his guitar concert for Katrina is laughable. Here we had a President out of action on 2 of the worst disasters to ever hit America. (Well, and while creating a 2nd worst financial disaster.) This was not a predicted natural disaster and so far not shown to be a terrorist act. Sadly a couple of shootings like this per year is par for the course in the USA. No different than the thousands of deaths a year from DUI. It's part of the accepted society.
 
ltstanfo said:
As for "rape is rape", I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that analogy.

It was a reference to another, recent, 'apples to oranges' thread on here, this time involving rape, rather than murder.
On pointing out that the two situations were completely different, "rape is rape" was given in retort.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Does Obama need to give another speech now?

Will he be judged in the same way on this one? Is there a difference between those who are prepared to die, dying, and those who are not, doing so?

That's a good question. I for one think the President should address this incident in some fashion and as far as I know, he has not.

That being said, I would like to point out one distinct difference, the shooting in Orlando, bad as it was, was not (initially at least) a federal matter or on federal property. The shooting at Fort Hoot was. I would also point out that as both the Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces and the highest ranking government employee, Obama had to respond, delayed as it was. As Obama is not in charge of the building or company where the shooting took place, I don't know that I can hold him to the same standard (although as previously stated, I think he could have and probably should have addressed it).

So, once again, I thank you for playing but sorry, you did not win. Redrumloa has a lovely parting gift for you on your way out. :wink:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Glaucus said:
Yep, another day, another mass shooting in the USA.

Sad but unfortunately true. The worst thing is that many legal types say these kinds of incidents come in threes so there may be one more in the near future. :cry:

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
Robert said:
ltstanfo said:
As for "rape is rape", I'm not sure where you are trying to go with that analogy.

It was a reference to another, recent, 'apples to oranges' thread on here, this time involving rape, rather than murder.
On pointing out that the two situations were completely different, "rape is rape" was given in retort.

Thanks for the clarification Robert. Was that me that made the statement? I do not recall that discussion.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
redrumloa said:
You are not worried about it, but Obama was. Everything Obama does is calculated, waiting to mention the shooting was calculated. Was it a blunder? Absolutely, but it was calculated.

You may be right. I'll be very interested to see where the investigation leads. As of this morning, it does not look good. Now the press is reporting that apparently some intelligence agency had this major under observation for electronically trying to contact known terror supporters / groups. As a result, now there is a question as to whether or not the information was relayed to the army. I hope this isn't the case.

Regards,
Ltstanfo
 
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