Osama is winning

[FluffyMcDeath]

and Bush helped him.

 

[Glaucus]

Although Osama is doing well on the military/terror front, he can't rally take much credit for the US credit crunch. Nor is he correct in saying that they alone defeated the Soviet Union. Even in Afghanistan, they received enormous amounts of support from the US and it's allies. The Soviet Union would have collapsed even if it never went into Afghanistan. And unlike the Soviet Union, it's not the US government that's going bankrupt but portions of the private sector. However, I can see how Osama's supporters would like to believe the current crisis is their doing.

But has Bush helped Osama? Of course he has, we knew he would even before the US invaded Iraq. But Osama has helped Bush, so it all balances out in the end I guess. Warmongers need other warmongers, otherwise things get boring.

- Mike

 

[ltstanfo]

Although Osama is doing well on the military/terror front, he can't rally take much credit for the US credit crunch. Nor is he correct in saying that they alone defeated the Soviet Union. Even in Afghanistan, they received enormous amounts of support from the US and it's allies. The Soviet Union would have collapsed even if it never went into Afghanistan. And unlike the Soviet Union, it's not the US government that's going bankrupt but portions of the private sector. However, I can see how Osama's supporters would like to believe the current crisis is their doing.

But has Bush helped Osama? Of course he has, we knew he would even before the US invaded Iraq. But Osama has helped Bush, so it all balances out in the end I guess. Warmongers need other warmongers, otherwise things get boring.

- Mike

An interesting and astute observation Mike.

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Robert]

An interesting and astute observation

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

 

[ltstanfo]

An interesting and astute observation

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

Not in particular.

Although Osama is doing well on the military/terror front, he can't rally take much credit for the US credit crunch. Nor is he correct in saying that they alone defeated the Soviet Union. Even in Afghanistan, they received enormous amounts of support from the US and it's allies. The Soviet Union would have collapsed even if it never went into Afghanistan. And unlike the Soviet Union, it's not the US government that's going bankrupt but portions of the private sector. However, I can see how Osama's supporters would like to believe the current crisis is their doing.

Agreed entirely.

But has Bush helped Osama? Of course he has, we knew he would even before the US invaded Iraq. But Osama has helped Bush, so it all balances out in the end I guess. Warmongers need other warmongers, otherwise things get boring.

My take on this part of the comment is not so much the invasion but rather the administration's poor response to events as they unfolded. Tora Bora is a perfect example. Missing that opportunity is simply unbelieveable. But here again Osama has certainly helped Bush so I agree that it "all balances out in the end".

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Robert]

An interesting and astute observation

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

Not in particular.

That's a relief! :-D

 

[ltstanfo]

An interesting and astute observation

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

Not in particular.

That's a relief! :-D

No to worry... I wouldn't want to disappoint. ;-)

Regards,
Ltstanfo

 

[Robert]

 

[faethor]

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

Invading Iraq helped support Osama in 2 ways. First, significant military might, money, and focus that could/would have been used in Afganistan was routed to Iraq. Second, Al Qaida had no establishments in Iraq before the invasion. The US destablized the country and failed to control the boarders. This allowed Al Qaida to move into Iraq and gain foot hold where they were not before. Another reason is that the USA focused on Iraq spoke to many that the US would do and be excatly what Osama said. As such it encouraged recruitment and other organizations to join Al Qaida. Al Qaida is responsible for their own actions. However, our actions appear to be encouraging to their cause in various ways.

I think a big encouragement is Osama has evaded capture. After 9/11 right-wingers blamed Clinton for failing to capture Osama. Bush appears to be just as inept at this, as he hasn't accomplished it either. By being able to run from the Americans successfully it adds to Osama's mystique.

 

[Robert]

Are you agreeing that invading Iraq helped Osama?

Invading Iraq helped support Osama in 2 ways. First, significant military might, money, and focus that could/would have been used in Afganistan was routed to Iraq. Second, Al Qaida had no establishments in Iraq before the invasion.

Now, faethor, whilst you and I see both of these as blindingly obvious facts, Lee doesn't see it that way and never has, hence my question. Had he changed his opinion on something so fundamental it would have scared the living kiech right oota me. ;-) So, whew, a relief indeed.


As an OT aside, there's a guy on my telly right now (ch4 news) from Illinois saying he won't vote for Obama because he's Muslim. He also used the expression, "one of them".

How ignorant, stupid, sad and above all bigoted.

 

[cecilia]

what do you expect??

there's tons of morons in america


anyway,
Osama couldn't have asked for better luck than an incompetant asshat like bush