Osama was unarmed, killed execution style.

redrumloa said:
Backlash is coming.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15048146,00.html
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I proudly salute President Obama for an extralegal CIA-planned assassination well done! He tossed aside every single idiotic foreign policy principle of his election campaign, in one daring, brilliantly planned, unilateral extra-judicial targeted hit job. A mission made possible thanks to information extracted by methods he previously called "illegal torture". Like many Americans - and the Nobel Peace Prize committee - I naively feared he was actually serious when he campaigned on shutting down Guantanamo, trying detainees in American civilian courts, and prior consultation with the international community.
 
redrumloa said:
Backlash is coming.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15048146,00.html
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yes, but mostly from "Foreignerland", the country that is all other countries but the US. That's not unusual for the actions of the US. "Foreignerland" is usually quick to point out the hypocrisy and illegality. Waterboarding, assassination, aggression, etc. Doesn't seem to bother the US ruling elite. Why should it? The only thing they understand is violence and force and they have control of most of the world's violence and force. The hapless guys that sit in the White House are just left to see what credit and blame they can take or pass off depending on what "the government" does.

We shouldn't be surprised at this sort of story. The US has been regarded as a pariah state for decades now in most of the world (though the ideal it represents is still aspired to). The charming Obama was good cover - much better than the bumbling hick, though Bush was good in his way too. It's not so bad if you can claim that your country is only acting crazy because it has a buffoon in the "driver seat".


(Thank you for your indulgence. I am feeling very cynical today.)
 
@Fluffy
Do you think there will be calls for Obama to be tried in international court?
 
redrumloa said:
@Fluffy
Do you think there will be calls for Obama to be tried in international court?
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I think it does bring up questions of respect of soverign nations, power of international treaties, and acceptable actions within a foreign border. Tried? I'd give a strong perhaps. I'd expect if tried he'd be found not guilty.

A Republican, none-the-less, explained to me that we should never take happiness out of death of another. Personally I wish they would have arrested Bin Laden and brought him to trial. Now the death of Osama is going to be used by the 9/11 truthers as an indication of a coverup the USA had to do to ensure the evidence of an inside job was eliminated.

Also, because the Taliban is a diversified non-centralized organization I expect the event won't have an effect on the terrorist organization. Thus in the end US Congressmen will argue that we must be keep the illegal Patriot Act in place.

So I really don't think this changes anything, except to Bin Laden himself of course. I guess it's cynical day here too Fluffy.
 
metalman said:
redrumloa said:
Backlash is coming.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15048146,00.html
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I proudly salute President Obama for an extralegal CIA-planned assassination well done! He tossed aside every single idiotic foreign policy principle of his election campaign, in one daring, brilliantly planned, unilateral extra-judicial targeted hit job. A mission made possible thanks to information extracted by methods he previously called "illegal torture". Like many Americans - and the Nobel Peace Prize committee - I naively feared he was actually serious when he campaigned on shutting down Guantanamo, trying detainees in American civilian courts, and prior consultation with the international community.
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there's only one problem with all that blather
Obama said during his campaign that the NUMBER ONE security goal was to get bin laden. and he worked on that carefully, methodically and brilliantly.

and the intel was not gotten from torture. even rumsfeld admits that
 
The right thing to do was to do what they did: shoot him in the face and dump his body in the ocean. Taking him prisoner may have had some benefits, but probably more problems would have been created. Guys like Osama you just kill and move on. This is what the war on terror should have been all about from the start - covert hit squads. The invasion of Iraq was a colossal waste of time, energy and lives and only set us back. If we instead focused on al-Qaeda from the start, this may have played out years ago.
 
Glaucus said:
The right thing to do was to do what they did: shoot him in the face and dump his body in the ocean. Taking him prisoner may have had some benefits, but probably more problems would have been created. Guys like Osama you just kill and move on. This is what the war on terror should have been all about from the start - covert hit squads. The invasion of Iraq was a colossal waste of time, energy and lives and only set us back. If we instead focused on al-Qaeda from the start, this may have played out years ago.
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absolutely correct on every point

and I love how some people (in various places over the internet) think they can tell Navy Seal how to do their jobs. :roll:

if these couch-potato warriors want to try it they should get off their fat asses and join up
considering how tough the training for Navy Seals is, ALL those douchbags would fail
 
Glaucus said:
The right thing to do was to do what they did: shoot him in the face and dump his body in the ocean.
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Agreed, though I would have taken a few additional steps. If it were me, I'd cut him open and fill his body cavity with pork chops and bacon. Then I'd chum the water before throwing him overboard.

But that is just me.
 
Glaucus said:
The right thing to do was to do what they did: shoot him in the face and dump his body in the ocean. Taking him prisoner may have had some benefits, but probably more problems would have been created. Guys like Osama you just kill and move on. This is what the war on terror should have been all about from the start - covert hit squads. The invasion of Iraq was a colossal waste of time, energy and lives and only set us back. If we instead focused on al-Qaeda from the start, this may have played out years ago.
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The right thing to do was to accept the Taliban offer to turn him over for trial in 2001. All the rest of the stuff you are talking about is mafia stuff. Do you want to live in a mafia ruled world or a law & order world? Moot question really because it's already apparent which one we live in - but it seems to be what the people want judging by the comments.
 
redrumloa said:
I'd cut him open and fill his body cavity with pork chops and bacon.....
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Good grief.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Do you want to live in a mafia ruled world or a law & order world? Moot question really because it's already apparent which one we live in - but it seems to be what the people want judging by the comments.
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Not all of us.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
The right thing to do was to accept the Taliban offer to turn him over for trial in 2001.
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Maybe, but you know it was more complex then that. First of, by the time the Taliban decided to "negotiate", the bombs were already dropping around them. Even then, they never really offered him up, they wanted a negotiated cease fire and demanded evidence of Osama's guilt before turning him over to some third, neutral country not aligned with the US. That last part is pretty much a guarantee that no government would accept such an "offer". And considering the Taliban and al-Qaeda were so closely allied, I'd want to go after them as well anyway, which is why I've always supported the Afghanistan invasion. The problem with Afghanistan is that it was eclipsed by Iraq and they never took it seriously.

All the rest of the stuff you are talking about is mafia stuff. Do you want to live in a mafia ruled world or a law & order world? Moot question really because it's already apparent which one we live in - but it seems to be what the people want judging by the comments.
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I hear you, but I classify this as war, not a legal issue.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Glaucus said:
The right thing to do was to do what they did: shoot him in the face and dump his body in the ocean. Taking him prisoner may have had some benefits, but probably more problems would have been created. Guys like Osama you just kill and move on. This is what the war on terror should have been all about from the start - covert hit squads. The invasion of Iraq was a colossal waste of time, energy and lives and only set us back. If we instead focused on al-Qaeda from the start, this may have played out years ago.
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The right thing to do was to accept the Taliban offer to turn him over for trial in 2001. All the rest of the stuff you are talking about is mafia stuff. Do you want to live in a mafia ruled world or a law & order world? Moot question really because it's already apparent which one we live in - but it seems to be what the people want judging by the comments.
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hey, I am still anti-war...Ii see the Navy Seals as "police". bin laden was a criminal.

I'm always happy (or relieved) when the police secure a criminal. In NY right now there's a killer finding women, killing them and burying their bodies at the beach. trust me, I'll love it when they find that wacko

all I want is criminals off the streets and NOT hurting anyone else ever again. On SUNDAY That was MY "celebration"
 
by the way, I would love to see cheney arrested and in jail. but I don't think we need the Navy Seals for that mission










maybe :mrgreen:
 
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