Overpaid teachers are not the reason for the US deficit
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How a Teachers’ Rally Made Me Anti-Education
Looks like overpaid union teachers confusing indoctrination with education. We might as well be sending kids to communist boot camp.
Obviously this proves that too much money is wasted "on education " if they have funds available to attend this "educational" demonstration, to protest that "not enough money is spent on education"
Looks like overpaid union teachers confusing indoctrination with education. We might as well be sending kids to communist boot camp.
Obviously this proves that too much money is wasted "on education " if they have funds available to attend this "educational" demonstration, to protest that "not enough money is spent on education"
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Obviously then, the weight of a countries vote in the UN should be in direct proportion to their military spending.
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When the teachers salaries are dictated by the government and thereby us they need someway to grab our attention. Look at teachers per state LINK and realize their purse strings is influenced by the population LINK . For example in Minnesota it appears to be ~1000 bosses per teacher as everyone pays taxes in some way. So what is the best way to communicate with your bosses that the situation needs to be improved? This is a bit difficult w/ 1 boss can you imagine if you needed to convince a few hundred bosses. Is there a better way to get the message out?
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The US has a military presence in a majority of nations in the world. Including many of these nations. IMO the US has to cut back and let other nations perserve their own interests. The US needs to learn to let others take care of themselves.
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So you've seen those non accredited religious camps too huh?
The only time money is wasted on education is when the child refuses to learn. Only the criminally short sighted would view teachers trying to make their voices heard of the dangers of under investment in the future as anything else.
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I don't have problem teachers trying to make their voices hear. I do have a problem that teachers used the students as tools as students are agreeing for a day off on school time to voice for the teachers.
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So the students views are irrelevant then? Have you considered that they might, oh I don't know, actually support the idea of maintaining or improving facilities, extra resources etc?
Best thing I ever saw was at a school near where I used to live, not only the teachers, but students were protesting some proposed cuts. The teachers never asked the students, they decided for themselves that it was in their interest to throw in their support.
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Base on the protested in SF and LA, All I see is more money, Tax corporations, Workers’ Power, and Tax the rich. Many are wearing red as a symbol for socialism and liberation. Many signs have clear as a bell point with phone number and web address link to socialism and liberation. So what that had to do with support of the idea of maintaining or improving facilities, extra resources etc? Do you really think 6 to 15 years old students knows anything about idea of maintaining or improving facilities, extra resources etc that never manage their own credit cards to pay their own bills.
I have seen teachers strike action that had nothing to do with education another word truthfully. I have seen many parents, teachers, and students’ protesting not on school time and it was base on the upcoming vote that may become law that any party had joined the protested.
If California teachers posted signs that says, more class room, more class time, more school supplies ect.. I sure will give a second thought on the education. Heck, I might join the protested.
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You have a massive deficit, economic contraction and a creditors who won't wait forever.
You have two choices: Increase taxes on the wealthiest in your society, or cut services, including front line ones.
You can't have it both ways.
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I never said both and I would be against increase taxes on the wealthiest. It either tax them all or no tax increase. My point is I don't support the use of students for socialism and liberation and clam is for education.
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that makes no sense.
the rich will never suffer from more taxes. even if they have to live in 3 houses instead of 4, even if they have to give up a car or a boat, wah wah wah......they will not starve, they will not be homeless.
poor people and middle class people will get REAMED with taxes. and some of THEM will be homeless and starve.
and rich people don't give two shits about "creating" jobs. the job creators are the small local business who has a stake in the neighborhood. THOSE are the people who need support and not higher taxes.
{bleep} the rich
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You two are acting like crybabies that the rich have more toys than you. I don't care if they are rich, middle, or poor class. Money can't tell who is rich or not. Money only knows who have the brain on how to invest the money. If the poor get taxed and they sure will complain about it just like the rich would do. Why make laws just for the certain type of class. My view it should be all are to be tax or none other than that the government needed to cuts the service.
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Woooosh.
Because strangely enough, applying taxes to people with very little will hurt them significantly more than it would someone with a hell of a lot. It's the reason there are sliding scales and tax brackets - it balances the burden so that those who can afford the most, pay the most.
Yes, let's cut education. Just be aware that when you do, you will be signing the death warrant for your civilisation.
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Great coment The Leander. We give teachers the right to be educators and thereby leadership rights to children. A demonstration is a good thing from the angle of displaying to kids how this Country works. It's supposed to be a nation of,by, and for the people. The people need to take the power and inform the elected what is important to fix in our society. We do this by various means one of which is exercising our first ammendment right to free speech through demonstrations.
This attitude of sit down and shutup and don't use your rights is totalitarianism rearing it's ugly head. Aka anti-american at it's best.
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It is the most common excuses for those who never been on the rich class. Every time we tax the rich and corporation, they invest where it less costly or just pass the buck to the middle and poor class. The poor get poorer and the middle class just complain about the cost of living and demands more money that causes the cost of living even higher. Don’t believe about the balances the burden so that those who can afford the most pay the most. That theory fails so many times.
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What make you say that I want to cut the education? How about freeze pay for 5 years and see how many teachers really care about their job. How about cutting some pension plan, many union and non-union had to get their cuts in order to prevent corporations into bankruptcy. As you would call "balances the burden so that those who can afford the most pay the most." It shows that corporations could not deal the government burden as well. Sooner or later people will have no job will get no money. Money goes to anyone that has a brain and willing to invest for more money to invest.
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here is reality: my brother has pointed out that he made WAY more money during the 90's when Clinton was president. because money was freely finding it's way into middle class wallets. And my brother is talking about his freelance work which he does AFTER his main day job.
all the multimillion dollar jobs I worked on in my career were during the 90's. (I didn't get the millions. what that means is that LOTS of people get hired to work on a big project).
when bush got in those jobs dried up. and it's not like either my brother or myself suddenly became UNTALENTED.
the economy got fu*cked. the middle class got screwed. (the middle class, you know, are not the 'have-mores')
if certain 'people' can not see how the middle class and the poor CAN NOT survive getting taxed more while the rich (who do not help the middle class in any way) don't suffer anything getting taxed more (they just complain. that's not suffering) then some people just are callus and unfeeling in the extreme.
I have LIVED it. I and some friends know exactly how it feels to wonder if tomorrow will be the last day in the apt. And it's not like I don't have the brains or ability to figure out how to make money. I most certainly do. I've had my career for DECADES. I've had ups and downs. And I keep coming back because I take full responsibility for my career progress.
That said, I am also aware that I can not control the economy. And I've been around long enough to see how others will affect how much I can actually make. The main reason I have not used welfare is because I am so damn frugal. I "invest" in myself.
I refuse, however, to feel "guilty" because I am not money-rich. The rich are not better than me or anyone else. they are simply lucky to be rich.
and it's not that I think taxing the rich will solve every financial problem in the world. it won't. but it will help, even a little. plus, if the rich know they are getting taxed, they will take an interest in how efficient the money is used.
all the multimillion dollar jobs I worked on in my career were during the 90's. (I didn't get the millions. what that means is that LOTS of people get hired to work on a big project).
when bush got in those jobs dried up. and it's not like either my brother or myself suddenly became UNTALENTED.
the economy got fu*cked. the middle class got screwed. (the middle class, you know, are not the 'have-mores')
if certain 'people' can not see how the middle class and the poor CAN NOT survive getting taxed more while the rich (who do not help the middle class in any way) don't suffer anything getting taxed more (they just complain. that's not suffering) then some people just are callus and unfeeling in the extreme.
I have LIVED it. I and some friends know exactly how it feels to wonder if tomorrow will be the last day in the apt. And it's not like I don't have the brains or ability to figure out how to make money. I most certainly do. I've had my career for DECADES. I've had ups and downs. And I keep coming back because I take full responsibility for my career progress.
That said, I am also aware that I can not control the economy. And I've been around long enough to see how others will affect how much I can actually make. The main reason I have not used welfare is because I am so damn frugal. I "invest" in myself.
I refuse, however, to feel "guilty" because I am not money-rich. The rich are not better than me or anyone else. they are simply lucky to be rich.
and it's not that I think taxing the rich will solve every financial problem in the world. it won't. but it will help, even a little. plus, if the rich know they are getting taxed, they will take an interest in how efficient the money is used.