Palin's Church Severely Damaged by Arson

[redrumloa]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03_pf.html

ANCHORAGE, Dec. 13 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's home church was badly damaged by arson, leading the governor to apologize Saturday if the fire was connected to "undeserved negative attention" from her campaign as the Republican vice presidential nominee.

Damage to the Wasilla Bible Church was estimated at $1 million, authorities said. No one was injured in the fire, which was set Friday night while a handful of people, including two children, were inside, according to James Steele, the Central Mat-Su fire chief.

This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

 

[faethor]

This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

It wasn't Dems. It was Republicans trying to gain some modicum of favor after 8 years of mismanagement.

 

[Speelgoedmannetje]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121302503_pf.html
This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

Oh c'mon, Red! As a true metal fan you should love burning churches!

 

[faethor]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121302503_pf.html
This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

Oh c'mon, Red! As a true metal fan you should love burning churches!

Isn't the real problem too few lions?

 

[redrumloa]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121302503_pf.html
This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

Oh c'mon, Red! As a true metal fan you should love burning churches!

All joking aside "true metal fans" are not into church burnings. The only ones to engage in such an act were a couple norwegian black metal bands of the 90's. I think on average metal heads are more tolerent of all religons, not just the athiest religon.

 

[redrumloa]

Isn't the real problem too few lions?

The problem is, this wasn't a mosque. If it was a mosque it would be headline news.

 

[cecilia]

....atheist religion.

:roflmao:

the fun of being an atheist is that you DON'T have to put up with the bullshit of religion

 

[cecilia]

Isn't the real problem too few lions?

The problem is, this wasn't a mosque. If it was a mosque it would be headline news.

locally, I see at least one church have a fire every year....this must happen (unfortunately) often

the ONLY reason this one is even in the news is because its connected to palin.

it's sad, but why whine because it's not front page news??

frankly, I'd spend more time trying to figure out how these fires start (candles????) and find a way to prevent it

 

[Robert]

I think on average metal heads are more tolerent of all religons, not just the athiest religon.

The atheist religion?
What do they believe in?

Anyway, I see no evidence that 'metal heads' are more tolerant of anything other than metal, compared to any other group of people.

 

[redrumloa]

locally, I see at least one church have a fire every year....this must happen (unfortunately) often

the ONLY reason this one is even in the news is because its connected to palin.

it's sad, but why whine because it's not front page news??

frankly, I'd spend more time trying to figure out how these fires start (candles????) and find a way to prevent it

You missed the point here, the church was damaged by arson. Other reports also clearly state accelerants were used.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... ist-p.html

An arsonist poured a flammable liquid at several spots outside Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's church before setting the building alight while five congregants were inside, federal agents said today.

Accelerants were found at the entrances and exits of the Wasilla Bible Church, but everyone escaped the Friday evening fire, which caused about $1 million damage.

This was no accident. It was arson and attempted murder.

 

[ilwrath]

Really, though, I have no idea why such a fuss. I mean, maybe I've always lived in a city with a fairly high arson rate... But with the number of buildings that are torched every year, its only a matter of time before one of them has some connection with a current media darling.

As for the list of suspects (Democrats, Red assumes?). That sounds just as absurd an assumption as metalheads, to me.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

This is not the way for democrats to win hearts and minds :x

You're such a bonehead sometimes, Red. In what way does you jumping to an unsupported conclusion become a basis for political comment? Or rather, it's a baseless insinuation dressed up as comment.

Your statement presupposes that democrats were somehow involved in this arson whereas what we have at the moment is an investigation into a probable arson with no known perpetrator at the moment. You could equally have said "This is not the way for blacks to win hearts and minds" or "This is not the way for women to win hearts and minds".

You have made a baseless accusation against half of the American public in the most crass and irresponsible way. It's quite despicable, unless it was a joke in which case it was just dumb.

If you care to speculate about the perpetrator and their motives then I'm fine with that because speculation about the unknown is a legitimate pursuit but presenting speculation as a fact already so well established that it now forms the basis for comment is an insidious PR propaganda technique that is more the tool of the power brokers that serve the slop for talk radio than for intelligent discussion on fora.

As for who really did start it, if it was a who and not some other cause, it's more likely that it was a member of the congregation or ex-member that started the fire than that it was "democrats". It's also a possibility that Palin's people torched the place as a way to get her mug back on the TV and to whip up sympathy for her and her church. Or it could be a competing church. Right now we don't know.

Just as an aside, I liked this quote:

the governor has faith in the scriptural passage that what was intended for evil will in some way be used for good

I seem to remember a time when folks who referenced scripture could actually quote it and reference the passage so that at least you could go look it up and get context. Is it now considered fine to just attribute generalities to scripture and expect that people will take it on trust that there actually is any such passage?

Oh, and "atheist religion"? That's like "bald hair"... These two statements in posts so close together, I wonder, have you taken to drinking or have you recently joined a cult? Your discourse has taken a sudden plunge in quality.

 

[faethor]

Oh, and "atheist religion"

We all know Atheism isn't a religion. However, one might have an Evengelical Atheist where they 'preach' reason and logic be the main driving factor in one's life. There's been a few of those in our past such as Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln.

 

[Glaucus]

If we're to assume your assertion to be true, then shame on those democrats. But there's no reason to believe it was someone who votes either way. Making wild accusations doesn't really help anyone.

Anyway, a church serving mostly Democrat-voting blacks was burned to the ground after Obama won, so I guess we're all even now.

 

[cecilia]

locally, I see at least one church have a fire every year....this must happen (unfortunately) often

the ONLY reason this one is even in the news is because its connected to palin.

it's sad, but why whine because it's not front page news??

frankly, I'd spend more time trying to figure out how these fires start (candles????) and find a way to prevent it

You missed the point here, the church was damaged by arson. Other reports also clearly state accelerants were used.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... ist-p.html

An arsonist poured a flammable liquid at several spots outside Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's church before setting the building alight while five congregants were inside, federal agents said today.

Accelerants were found at the entrances and exits of the Wasilla Bible Church, but everyone escaped the Friday evening fire, which caused about $1 million damage.

This was no accident. It was arson and attempted murder.

I was including arson when i said churches burn regularly - despite my mentioning candles....

what's the difference? it's a shame in any case.

did I not make that clear????

you act as if I'm jumping up and down with glee

if I was like you I'd make some tasteless joke about how only "republicans" get gleeful about arson and other misfortunes.

 

[cecilia]

Oh, and "atheist religion"

We all know Atheism isn't a religion. However, one might have an Evengelical Atheist where they 'preach' reason and logic be the main driving factor in one's life. There's been a few of those in our past such as Thomas Jefferson and Abe Lincoln.

those two guys just make me swoon!!!

 

[redrumloa]

Yeah you guys are right, it was bad taste for me to mention democrats like that. I only did it to make a point. If it was Obama's (new) church, you could imagine what the media frenzy would be like and who they would be blaming.

 

[FluffyMcDeath]

Yeah you guys are right, it was bad taste for me to mention democrats like that. I only did it to make a point. If it was Obama's (new) church, you could imagine what the media frenzy would be like and who they would be blaming.

Fair dinkum. Though, if it was Obama's church the finger might point at the Klan, skinheads, Nazis, racists or other "extremists" rather than Republicans, methinks. The tar brush would be a little more discriminating.

I also imagine (though can't prove, obviously) that Obama would denounce the act but say that he didn't believe it was anything to do with his election victory, unlike Palin's self serving, "Oh my goodness, isn't it terrible that this might have been done because of me (i.e. because "someone is out to get me and my church family")!!".

 

[cecilia]

Yeah you guys are right, it was bad taste for me to mention democrats like that. I only did it to make a point. If it was Obama's (new) church, you could imagine what the media frenzy would be like and who they would be blaming.

you are the one politicizing this tragic event.

when I see a building burning I see the potential for people getting hurt or killed. that include firefighters.

I see no "victory" here.

until such time as the person or persons responsible are found and convicted (i hope) we won't really know WHY this fire happened. and even then!

how can anyone think it's as simple as being part of a political party??

anyone who starts a fire has to be mental ill