Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act upheld

[faethor]

NBC early reporting the conservative Supreme Court upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) as Congress's legitimate use of their powers to Tax.

Personally I was expecting they'd uphold the law but strike the mandate. It appears they did not. The votes are not in but I'd bet it was a 5-4 split.

 

[cecilia]

yeah, and i hope all those fake republicans have an aneurysm over it

 

[Fade]

No aneurysm here.

Not the way I would have preferred, but at least it hammered a stake in the heart of the liberals idea of pushing ObamaCare agenda under the guise of The Commerce Clause, and put it squarely into the tax category where it belonged.

As such, it can be repealed at the whim of the next congress without the SCOTUS being involved.
November can't come soon enough.

Last laughs are always the best.

 

[metalman]

Seems like a reasonable decision to me.

The individual mandate is a tax

a really, really, big tax

the decision severely restricts the government from applying the Commerce Clause as a reason for expansion of any new federal programs

it upheld states rights not to be saddled with a federal mandate to pay for federal programs.

The court said States have the option of rejecting Medicaid expansion without risk of losing their current funds. The Medicaid expansion was how the true cost of Obamcare was being hid, by shifting costs to the states

The Obamacare tax is dead, you just don't realize it yet

the Constitution requires tax increases to originate in the House of Representatives. See Art. I, §7, cl. 1

 

[metalman]

the most costly goods and services are the ones that politicians decide should be "free"

 

[faethor]

the most costly goods and services are the ones that politicians decide should be "free"

Your picture claims forced purchasing and your text claims free. Can't be both. So let us know which one you want to bitch about.

 

[robert l. bentham]

look... it really isn't going to be doom and gloom... look at what the CBO says about it... and when we are all done "reading for comprehension" lets meet back and lay some cards on the table... i needed art supplies and access to a mubea ironworker once so i have some numbers to crunch... but what i'm seeing is that this will be "initially" a bit higher, but it comes with offsets and benefits that outweigh the increase. here's my example:

i have some health issues.
my at the time girlfriend did too. and we lived together
i get VA care but must drive 3 hrs for it, unless i schedule appt months in advance.
she had no health care at all.
my employer paid 800 dollars a month for my healthcare.
i paid 80 dollars of that monthly
the new amount i would have to pay (to go around VA) under these figures would be 175 dollars.
the 800 dollar policy covered none of my preexisting conditions.
i can run a CNC lathe and many other tools.
they wanted to keep me.
they offered to extend healthcare to my live in girlfriend at the time.
it would be 425 a month and cover no pre existing conditions.
under CBO estimates she would also pay 175ish per month, provided she still makes what she did then.
under obamacare she would get care for her pre existing conditions too.
so a little bit extra on the out, but a whole good deal better care on the in.
my step mother has insurance thru my dad at the post office. it cost 1600 per month for both of them.
she has a cap on her policy and the mangianoma (sp) tumor she has, has already put her over that.
they would, according to CBO estimates, now be back to paying premiums and actually getting service that was not all out of pocket (they pay her premiums now because insurance gets better pricing).
my brother makes over the 250,000 grand that puts him into the 12.8 % rate, his neck surgery, (not covered by his insurance because it was prexisting) just cost him 30 grand ish (for that surgery alone, thats no PT or follow up).... under obama care it would have been the same only he would be getting the PT and what not for free... or a small copay...

these are 5 people i actually know... and i have read the cbo report to mr rangel. it looks good for my people... please feel free to share...

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10691/hr3962subsidiesrangelltr.pdf

 

[cecilia]

well, the point of this coverage is that people will go get medical help BEFORE things get really bad. and THAT does save money. not to mention lives. of course the fake republicans don't care about lives.

the bottom line is that Prevention is the best way to stay healthy. Once people get into the habit of prevention and eating well, exercising and so on, the whole country saves money and doesn't waste resources on chronically sick people.