Peaceful Religion

There's little doubt that all religions have blood on their hands.
 
faethor said:
There's little doubt that all religions have blood on their hands.
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I'm more interested in today's and tomorrow's bloody hands. It's all about the trends...
 
Dammy said:
I'm more interested in today's and tomorrow's bloody hands. It's all about the trends...
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Then one needs to be aware of other groups too. Uganda, for example is one area of Africa with Christian terrorists. In Asian there are groups such as the NLFT. This year we saw the activities of Christian terrorism in Norway. and of course in the USA we have antiabortion activities and th Army of God. Islam is one worry. Christianity and Hinsuism have their own terrorists today.
 
@Dammy:
Maybe you should look in the mirror.

This thread could just as easily be about Catholicism:
Deadly terrorism returned to the scene of Northern Ireland's worst atrocity after a young Catholic policeman was murdered by a car bomb in Omagh.

Dissident republican groups have continued to target Catholic members of the PSNI hoping to dissuade recruits from nationalist backgrounds from joining what they deem to be a British security force.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372698/Catholic-police-officer-Ronan-Kerr-killed-Omagh-car-bomb-weeks-graduating.html#ixzz1cwzWK7ri
 
Dammy said:
I'm more interested in today's and tomorrow's bloody hands. It's all about the trends...
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What is the supposed religion of the country that has attacked the most other countries in the last four decades?
 
faethor said:
Then one needs to be aware of other groups too. Uganda, for example is one area of Africa with Christian terrorists. In Asian there are groups such as the NLFT. This year we saw the activities of Christian terrorism in Norway. and of course in the USA we have antiabortion activities and th Army of God. Islam is one worry. Christianity and Hinsuism have their own terrorists today.
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Sure, I can agree with that as I don't have a dog in that race. Problem is more center in the core beliefs and scriptures that don't sound anything peaceful like. Then we get: http://www.investigativeproject.org/2468/islamists-blame-jews-for-coptic-church-bombing and http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terr...ic-church-officials-on-alert-around-the-world and http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-kills-copts-in-muslim-christian-clashes.html and http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...hner-urges-iran-abandon-dark-path-spare-youse and http://www.faithfreedom.org/article...anistan-faces-the-death-penalty-for-apostasy/ which kinda leads me to see a lacking in "peaceful" religion.
 
Robert said:
@Dammy:
Maybe you should look in the mirror.
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Are you assing that I am a Christian?

This thread could just as easily be about Catholicism:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372698/Catholic-police-officer-Ronan-Kerr-killed-Omagh-car-bomb-weeks-graduating.html#ixzz1cwzWK7ri
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Terrible! But the lone nutter isn't that big of a worry, there will be always a lone nutter or couple of nutters doing evil things in name of religion. I'm looking at the trends and the core beliefs that are written in scripture. What are you looking at, other then through a prism of political correctness? I mean there has been terrible evil done by or in the name of the Catholic church over the centuries, but I can feel free to pen a cartoon of the Pope and get maybe a few hand gestures out of the vast majority of the Catholics while walking out side of the Vatican. Can I do the same with Mohammad out side of Mecca and only have to worry about a few hand gestures? I don't think so.
 
Dammy said:
Sure, I can agree with that as I don't have a dog in that race. Problem is more center in the core beliefs and scriptures that don't sound anything peaceful like. ... which kinda leads me to see a lacking in "peaceful" religion.
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Again I argue how the people pick and choose their favorite passages gives any religion a peaceful or harmful sects. If you ever read the Old Testament and parts of the New they are far from peaceful. Certainly harm has been done and will be done in Christ's name.

Canada has a fairly large Muslim population. But, you don't here of vast amounts of terrorism going on in Canada from this group. They are peaceful. But, certainly there are small groups of believers that are not peaceful.

Muslims, like Christians and Jews, are varied. There are attitudes that cross the spectrum from vocal condemnation to support for terrorism in all groups. Your idea here all you to condemn billions by stereotyping a group through simplicity the actions of a relatively small percentage.
 
faethor said:
Again I argue how the people pick and choose their favorite passages gives any religion a peaceful or harmful sects. If you ever read the Old Testament and parts of the New they are far from peaceful. Certainly harm has been done and will be done in Christ's name.
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Sure, I can agree with that. Although I haven't heard too many Christians or Jews demanding death to none believers.

Canada has a fairly large Muslim population. But, you don't here of vast amounts of terrorism going on in Canada from this group. They are peaceful. But, certainly there are small groups of believers that are not peaceful.
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I don't know about Canada, but there are Clerics demanding such militant action in the US. More surprising is the number of Muslims (citizens or residents) that think suicide bombing is justified: http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/22/us-usa-muslims-poll-idUSN2244293620070522

Muslims, like Christians and Jews, are varied. There are attitudes that cross the spectrum from vocal condemnation to support for terrorism in all groups. Your idea here all you to condemn billions by stereotyping a group through simplicity the actions of a relatively small percentage.
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Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said such a thing. I have no issues with Muslims, vast majority are nice people that I get along with perfectly. It's the orthodox Islamofacist that I have issues with because they live by the exact word of the Qu'ran. What I don't want is what has happened in Lebanon: http://vimeo.com/25044006
 
Dammy said:
Dunno, probably something that is off topic to this thread?
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Well, since the supposed religion of the country that has attacked the most other countries in the last four decades is not Islam then I suppose you are somewhat correct - since Islam is the topic, right?
 
Dammy said:
Sure, I can agree with that. Although I haven't heard too many Christians or Jews demanding death to none believers.
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How about death to the rag heads, Muslims and sand niggers? That's been quite popular over the last decade - oh, but that's not about Christians versus Muslims, of course.
 
It's the orthodox Islamofacist that I have issues with because they live by the exact word of the Qu'ran.
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I'd say the terrorists live by the exact word of some of the Qu'ran and ignore other exact words that don't suite them. It's easy to use these religious books to support whatever you like. Years ago, Americans used the bible to support slavery.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
How about death to the rag heads, Muslims and sand niggers? That's been quite popular over the last decade - oh, but that's not about Christians versus Muslims, of course.
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Why are you being so racist?
 
Dammy said:
Quit putting words in my mouth, I never said such a thing. I have no issues with Muslims, vast majority are nice people that I get along with perfectly. It's the orthodox Islamofacist that I have issues with because they live by the exact word of the Qu'ran. What I don't want is what has happened in Lebanon: http://vimeo.com/25044006
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It's the "orthadox"/fundamentalist fanatic of anyone that is the problem. There are violent Muslims that use their faith to justify their violence and there are violent Christians who do the same - and their are violent Jews too though mostly they work through getting other people to commit violence for them. The difference is that Muslims tend to occupy a lower socio-economic stratum and therefore employ the tools of the lower classes when they feel threatened (violence and such) and the Jews tend to be of a higher socio-economic class and use other means such as lawyers and political and media influence, the tools of the upper classes. The Christians tend to be spread out since they still represent the majority in Canada (primarily Roman Catholic but it's not like most of them ever go to church).

Radical anyone is the real problem and it doesn't matter what religion they hold, they simply use their religion to claim ultimate authority and to rationalize away the immorality of their violence - they use whichever religion they already have to justify what they do as necessary and right. It was Sikhs that bombed the Air India flight.

People who feel that they are being persecuted (may or may not be the case that they are, some religions contain more inbuilt persecution paranoia than others) feel more group loyalty, more "fundamentalism", and are more likely to justify violent acts in "self defense", etc.

But if you go back to my rather long post in Why God? Why? I talked about what religion is for (the adaptive purposes it serves). Primarily it promotes group cohesion and obedience to the priest class (as a proxy for "god") and through the idea of postmortem reward promotes self sacrifice so that the leadership can direct the populace as a brain can direct its limbs, to perform acts that may not be beneficial to the individual members of the population but are beneficial to the population as a whole. In the same way that a human brain can direct human limbs to slaughter a goat so that the store of energy and protein resources that it has accumulated can be taken over by the vast community of cells that is the human, a leadership can direct it's people as agents to slaughter and absorb other groups of people so as to acquire for the "nation" or "religion" the wealth accumulated or owned by that other "nation" or "religion". Christianity has played this game very well over the years (taking, as it does, directly from it's birth as the new coordinating order of the old Roman Empire after it replaced the old pantheon as the sate religion).
 
Dammy said:
Sure, I can agree with that. Although I haven't heard too many Christians or Jews demanding death to none believers.
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History is littered with the bodies of non-Christians because they didn't believe in a Christian God. While it's not as significant as it once was it is still occurring. Again we've seen anti-abortion killings in the USA. As we've seen break up of the Hutaree who planned to kill police and civilians. NLFT in Asian appear to be giving Hindus the choice of Christ or death. Christian Identity is a racially movtivated terrorist group who has bombed mosques. These are deaths of people that don't share in that terrorists' particular view of God.

I don't know about Canada, but there are Clerics demanding such militant action in the US. More surprising is the number of Muslims (citizens or residents) that think suicide bombing is justified: http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/22/us-usa-muslims-poll-idUSN2244293620070522
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I don't know if 8-18% of US Muslim Youth supporting any type, including rare, is that much different than Christians. We don't have a similar poll of Christian youth. We only have a gut reaction to use.

I have no issues with Muslims, vast majority are nice people that I get along with perfectly.
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As you know it wasn't the way things were sounding here. That's good as 90+% are peaceful. They may support suicide bombings a bit higher but they aren't doing it.

And when it turns out they're kept at a It's the orthodox Islamofacist that I have issues with because they live by the exact word of the Qu'ran. What I don't want is what has happened in Lebanon: http://vimeo.com/25044006
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I agree any ultraorthodox literal translation of any religious book has issues. These groups tend to be more conservative and less liberal in nature. They are often less likely to view things allegorical in nature and demand a more ridgid conformity.
 
Glaucus said:
I'd say the terrorists live by the exact word of some of the Qu'ran and ignore other exact words that don't suite them. It's easy to use these religious books to support whatever you like. Years ago, Americans used the bible to support slavery.
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I'll bite, where are they violating the Qu'ran? Remember, the Qu'ran is the life story of Mohammad, the things said in the later section superceeds things he said in the beginning. So if there is a conflict within the Qu'ran, the later section takes prescient. The first 1/3 of the Qu'ran is a peaceful and I think it's beneficial to humanity's spirituality.

As someone not of the "Book", I look toward true religions as promoting spiritual of individuals and helping those that are in need of being help while living with one another peacefully regardless of race, religion, and sex. That would be to the glory of the Creator. Problem I see is that I'm western, I accept the duality of church and state however, Islam taken as pure which is directly taken from the Qu'ran is mono, church and state are one. This is the cultural conflict that will not be solved with multiculturalism, one side must accept the other side and live with it.
 
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