Plenty of jobs in America

doesnt help that the state legislatures offer to keep them X percentage full....
 
2.) Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. As Republic Report’s Matt Stoller ​
noted​
last year, Corrections Corporation of America, one of the largest for-profit prison companies, revealed in a regulatory filing that continuing the drug war is part in parcel to their business strategy. Prison companies have spent millions bankrolling pro-drug war politicians and have used secretive front groups, like the American Legislative Exchange Council, to ​
pass​
harsh sentencing requirements for drug crimes.​

5.) Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping ​
$1 million​
to defeat a measure that would have “reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison.”​

http://www.alternet.org/newsandview...st_groups_lobbying_to_keep_marijuana_illegal/
 
Yup. The drug war is part and parcel. That's mentioned in the documentary I just posted in another thread.
 
Nice hit piece, I didn't see it mentioning that the normal state run (hence government employee unions are happy) prisons do the exact same thing and have been the exact same thing for decades. Why did it only mention those evil corporate run prisons doing it while the good state run (which has unions for the corrections officers) been doing it for decades and decades?

Oh yeah, it's to demonize the loss of those government union jobs. How silly of me.
 
The plus is State run prison corruption is less costly to your tax dollars than private industry corruption is. Often the reason for this is corrupt company's take the money and run. The business leaves the mess for the government to clean up. I'm all against corruption but if since it exists on both sides we should be choosing the least expensive option. That'd be the conservative in me talking.
 
Dammy said:
Nice hit piece, I didn't see it mentioning that the normal state run (hence government employee unions are happy) prisons do the exact same thing and have been the exact same thing for decades. Why did it only mention those evil corporate run prisons doing it while the good state run (which has unions for the corrections officers) been doing it for decades and decades?

Oh yeah, it's to demonize the loss of those government union jobs. How silly of me.
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uhm.... you didn't read the entire article did you? :(
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
If you are willing to go to prison to get one.
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Steve Fraser is Editor-at-Large of New Labor Forum, co-founder of theAmerican Empire Project (Metropolitan Books), and a TomDispatch regular. He is, most recently, the author of Wall Street: America’s Dream Palace. He teaches history at Columbia University.
Joshua B. Freeman, aTomDispatch regular, teaches history at Queens College and at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York and is affiliated with its Joseph S. Murphy Labor Institute. His forthcoming book, American Empire, will be the final volume of the PenguinHistory of the United States.
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Looks like the authors were both schooled at "The Institute for Social Research" commonly known as the [url=http://frankfurtschool.us/history.htm]"Frankfurt School" which promotes "critical theory" defined as a self-conscious[/URL] social critique that is aimed at change and emancipation through a cultural Marxist rewriting of history. Neo-Marxist Ideology shapes the thinking and rejects the ideals of Western Civilization. They envision a transforming of western culture into a matriarchal, female dominated culture.

Lots of unemployed #OWS members are now deeply in debt, having spent 4 years learning that crap for a BA degree!
:lol:
 
metalman said:
Lots of unemployed #OWS members are now deeply in debt, having spent 4 years learning that crap for a BA degree!
:lol:
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Yes, deep systemic unemployment and debt is certainly a great thing to lol about and the fact that the system that created the unemployment and debt was put into place long before these OWS people were born and that they were told and their parents were told over the last decades that taking on huge debt and going to university for a degree (in anything) was what it took to be successful, and that they did what they were advised to do by their "betters" is highly lol worthy. Who thought that diligently doing what society told you to do was in fact the very last thing that you should be doing. It turns out that lying and cheating and stealing were, in fact, the correct career choices, provided, of course, that you came from one of the good families. It's good to see that we can still get a hearty chuckle over the hardship of those who do as they ought.
 
Dammy said:
Nice hit piece, I didn't see it mentioning that the normal state run (hence government employee unions are happy) prisons do the exact same thing and have been the exact same thing for decades.
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Instead of me telling you how it is different when public prisons and private prisons do this, why don't you tell me how it's exactly the same. Don't forget to relate it to taxpayer's costs.

But, besides that, why are you defending the industrial elites that love to use free labour and make off with tax payer subsidies (and import low cost foreign labour too)? Why do you think those parasites are more important that regular Americans who just want a decent job with decent pay?
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Yes, deep systemic unemployment and debt is certainly a great thing to lol about and the fact that the system that created the unemployment and debt was put into place long before these OWS people were born and that they were told and their parents were told over the last decades that taking on huge debt and going to university for a degree (in anything) was what it took to be successful, and that they did what they were advised to do by their "betters" is highly lol worthy. Who thought that diligently doing what society told you to do was in fact the very last thing that you should be doing. It turns out that lying and cheating and stealing were, in fact, the correct career choices, provided, of course, that you came from one of the good families. It's good to see that we can still get a hearty chuckle over the hardship of those who do as they ought.
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:lol:
They could have saved a lot of money and just read Animal Farm to learn what happens in a socialist utopia

Boxer's motto "I will work harder"

Boxer had a naive trust in the good intentions of the government to help him

In the end he was exploited by the pigs more than he had been by Mr. Jones, and was sent to the glue factory.

but for Napoleon it turned out ok, he got a case of whiskey for selling boxer to the glue factory
 
metalman said:
Looks like the authors were both schooled at "The Institute for Social Research" commonly known as the "Frankfurt School"
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I have not been able to confirm your assertion - or were you just trying to undermine the authors with innuendo?

BTW - "Frankfurt School" doesn't strike fear in normal people the way I presume it does for people inside the fascist bubble would like to think it does. I suspect it's more of a dog whistle term used by people inside the bubble to alarm other people inside the bubble. I will listen out for references to it - doubtless I will hear more about this as the echo chamber starts pumping it. Come to think of it, maybe you are getting this from more "Catholic" channels.
 
metalman said:
They could have saved a lot of money and just read Animal Farm to learn what happens in a socialist utopia
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Socialism would be where the state pays for your education ... and then employs you. This situation is obviously not that.
 
metalman said:
but its what the #OWS is asking for
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Them's some tight circles you spin in. So OWS is getting slammed by the capitalist system so they should not try socialism because it's also bad - because Soviet Communism was.

Thing is, unless you are in the 0.001% then arguing for the status quo is arguing against yourself.
 
FluffyMcDeath said:
Instead of me telling you how it is different when public prisons and private prisons do this, why don't you tell me how it's exactly the same. Don't forget to relate it to taxpayer's costs.

But, besides that, why are you defending the industrial elites that love to use free labour and make off with tax payer subsidies (and import low cost foreign labour too)? Why do you think those parasites are more important that regular Americans who just want a decent job with decent pay?
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Other then union corrections officers working to keep prisoners in a prison, there isn't much of a difference. Both use voluntary prison labor to do work (including mowing grass along the highways) at some chump change that the prisoners can purchase stuff in the prison canteen. Either way, it goes to subsidies the cost of the prison so I, the tax payer, won't have to give more of my hard earned money to the government. If we could ever get government out of the way of private industry and not tax the hell out of them (less your Obama's favorite corp, like GE, then you don't pay any taxes), they might consider opening or expanding business in the US. Canada's corp tax rate is a hell of a lot lower then the US, why not raise to 70% and show the poor bastards to your south how to really create jobs!
 
Dammy said:
Other then union corrections officers working to keep prisoners in a prison, there isn't much of a difference. Both use voluntary prison labor to do work (including mowing grass along the highways) at some chump change that the prisoners can purchase stuff in the prison canteen. Either way, it goes to subsidies the cost of the prison so I, the tax payer, won't have to give more of my hard earned money to the government.
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When union guards work the prison they make more money than non-union guards which means that they earn more money that can be spent into the local economy where the prison is located.

When the prison is privately owned the guards make less and the difference is sent out of town to the owners reducing the amount of money in the local economy though it doesn't reduce the prices of things that the locals need to buy from outside the local economy (like credit for e.g.).

When prisoners work in government prisons it depresses the labour value if the billed rate is low however their labour would be used to do work that the government would need to hire for or to provide workers in labour intensive but unpopular jobs that businesses needed doing and the difference between the billed rate and what the inmate is paid would offset the cost to the taxpayer of running the prison.

When a private prison hires out its inmates it still bills the government but can clear more profit by encouraging the use of it's inmate labour even if it damages the local labour market and those extra earnings do not offset the prison cost which the prison company bills the government.

When the government runs prisons they generally have an incentive to reduce the rather costly prison population though obviously not always as the opening article pointed out.

When a prison is privately owned but publicly paid for then the owner is motivated to increase the prison population and the owner has a sizeable income he doesn't need to work for so he has both time and money to dedicate to getting the right politicians into office that will vote him more money.

Unfortunately, it is often difficult to get rid of private prisons as they tend to get contracts that promise them certain prison populations and if the government stops sending prisoners they are usually stuck still sending the money - or worse - more money in penalties.
 
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